So you didn't answer then.Royal24s wrote:Well of course what I wrote is opinion rather than News. I don't think I claimed that it was a News Bulletin did I?Hillman avenger wrote:You must tell us some time where you get your news from.Royal24s wrote:Well, if that's what you took from it I don't think I can help you. Clearly you have comprehension difficulties. Oh, unless of course you're trying to twist my words, which is subconsciously learned behaviour I would guess, arising from watching too much BBC political output and gradually mimicking the players rather like a huge flightless parrot whose only friend is his tv set.the rotary club wrote:In summary just like the Tories but without the sex.Royal24s wrote:One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again! He says he will call a referendum on continued membership of the EU, ( whilst leaving himself several transparent get-out clauses), but does anyone believe him?
- Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!
The fact is that there is a growing support for UKIP , perhaps for very similar reasons to the very close result to the recent referendum in the North. People are actually sick of the shenanigans of the Westminster tri-Party caucus, who seem to believe in nothing at all other than their own self interests and the sanctity of gay marriage, ( the unexpected issue which Mr Cameroon pushed ahead of the economy, poverty and national security without having mentioned it in his manifesto).
These odious individuals think they've got a RIGHT to govern, and their contempt for the people who elect them and the country itself is quite stunning. Whether they label themselves Conservative , Labour or Lib Dems, they like each other a lot more than they like us. Perhaps you are one of those who vote on tribal lines and will remain loyal to your designated Party no matter how much they kick you and contempt you, but actually, if you can see much difference between any if them, you must have very sharp eyesight indeed.
In the recent referendum they relied upon threats and fear, and they very nearly came unstuck in that. They didn't learn anything from that though.
Over and over, we hear two arguments from the Conservatives about why we shouldn't vote UKIP .
Firstly, that only by electing a conservative government can we get a referendum on Europe and secondly that if we vote UKIP we may get Ed Milliband and Labour in power.
Well, no one in their right minds could possibly belief that they'll really give us a referendum , and even though I've generally voted Conservative for the last 40 years or so, I've seen a few Labour governments and prime ministers before and I can put up with another one if that's what it takes.
They seem to be saying, elect our bloody idiot because if you don't ,you'll get the only other bloody idiot on offer. It's Hobson's Choice, so forget any thoughts you may have had about genuine democratic choice and do as we say!
Well, I've got news for them. People are not satisfied with that anymore. If they think UKIP intend to cause a bit if a disruption , register a few protest votes then go away, they're wrong.
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.
UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people.
If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.
If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.
Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !
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Lies and fear mongering the UK Independence Party.
It would appear you have an entirely unsullied source, which I am sure we would all like to know. Certainly it assists you in coming to your conclusions based entirely on logic and values, unlike us mere mortals.
BTW I watched Fox News in the US when I was there. In particular one Bill Reilly. His/their strapline is that it's news, not opinion. In his show, re Obama and Iraq, it was one solid hour of entire opinion, no news whatsoever, and none of that tedious explanation of opinion either. Your source must be just the opposite.
I'd have thought that The o'Reilly Factor, if they still call it that, was obviously opinion based too. You do know, do you, that stations in the USA don't have to be unbiased ? Fox are Pro Republican, CNN are Pro Democrat etc etc. wants any of that got to do with anything though ?
If you can have a "source" for opinion, then my source is what I earnestly believe to be the truth. You may disagree with it, and no doubt you do, but in the end I am quite confident that the truth- wherever it lies - will prevail.
The "truth".
Isn't that we all think?
Once again, if you distrust what you hear from the BBC, where do you get the "truth"? The BBC's charter to maintain balance, whether or not you think it does, is irrelevant to the question.