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The other lot are just as bad . Isn't it time now for a new kind of politics ?
Let's get rid of the old politicians who know nothing except lining their own pockets and vomitting out seven word strap lines written by spin doctors.
We've been given a new start by the referendum so why not elect new politicians who actually believe something and are there to represent the people rather than rule over them like medieval lords, and tell them what they can do, say, think and even eat.
The EU was the epitome of far too many fat cat politicians multiplying their offices and eating out the substance of the people .
Eventually the people got the courage to kick them out, and I suggest that we now look to an entirely more sensible and honest kind of politics in our own soon to be great again country too.

I was on a hill walk yesterday with a friend who happens to be a labour voter, and I don’t know why, but he couldn’t accept the difference between the parliamentary labour party and the ordinary labour voter/member.
He was saying that corbyn should resign as labour leader because he let the labour party and voters down by not providing enthusiastic leadership/guidance in favour of remain.
My take is that he let the PLP down right enough as they already hate him for thwarting their ambitions to get their grubby mitts on the reins of power but as voting shows, he may have done exactly the right thing given his principles, for the core labour voter. The problem for far too long is that all mainstream parties want to occupy the same part of the political spectrum, because their ONLY interest is winning elections, not the interests of the people they are supposed to serve.

I have a lot of respect for corbyn as he appears an honourable man and the voters know he will act in their interests and not the party’s, what we need is a tory leader with similarly strong principles and then perhaps the madness of recent years can be reversed.
But above all right now, we somehow need a government with the desire to make the departure from the EU as smooth as possible.

Looks like there's going to be a leadership challenge to Corbyn. Benn's been dismissed from the shadow cabinet and Heidi Alexander's now gone.

Overweight prick Tom Watson's tweeted pics of himself from Glastonbury. Nice one. Don't come back you dickhead.

Kowalski wrote:He's pulled out of Glastonbury, they're rioting near the pyramid stage. We want Jezza is the chant, Eavis is thinking about stopping the festival.

What was he going to sing ?

Leaving on a Jet Plane.

Roy Twing wrote: He was saying that corbyn should resign as labour leader because he let the labour party and voters down by not providing enthusiastic leadership/guidance in favour of remain.

You can't turn a sows ear into a silk purse. You can't change demeanor, personality, and charisma. That's the way he comes across, and jumping up and down waving a flag just wouldn't work. The Labour Party are completely shit at voting leaders, and obviously have no idea what sort of character you need to head up the team. Look at Foot and Miliband for examples.

Zambo wrote:

Roy Twing wrote: He was saying that corbyn should resign as labour leader because he let the labour party and voters down by not providing enthusiastic leadership/guidance in favour of remain.

You can't turn a sows ear into a silk purse. You can't change demeanor, personality, and charisma. That's the way he comes across, and jumping up and down waving a flag just wouldn't work. The Labour Party are completely shit at voting leaders, and obviously have no idea what sort of character you need to head up the team. Look at Foot and Miliband for examples.

Thank God Miliband didn't win. The country would be in total chaos by now.....Oh.

Zambo wrote:

Roy Twing wrote: He was saying that corbyn should resign as labour leader because he let the labour party and voters down by not providing enthusiastic leadership/guidance in favour of remain.

You can't turn a sows ear into a silk purse. You can't change demeanor, personality, and charisma. That's the way he comes across, and jumping up and down waving a flag just wouldn't work. The Labour Party are completely shit at voting leaders, and obviously have no idea what sort of character you need to head up the team. Look at Foot and Miliband for examples.

Not forgetting the worst of the lot - blair.

(But the real point being that foot (& possibly milliband) might have represented the core labour voters' interests, rather than the party's as in the case of blair).

Corbyn actually still remains very popular with the rank and file. Don't be too sure that he will automatically lose an internal labor election.

Those that represent the labour status quo have been waiting for any chance to get rid of him. Even if remain had won we would now be in the same position with labour.

I disagree 100% with his politics but I admire the guy.

Vote Jexit, it's the only way forward for the Socialists.

cahill wrote:What's the point of M Hodge challenging Corbyn ? It might make her feel better, a cat to kick, but he'll win hands down again

She wouldn't expect to win. It's a way of gauging opposition to Corbyn. There will be someone else who has asked her to do it.
It's a common tactic in our system.

If Corbyn is challenged, he'd win another leadership contest even with a slightly diminished majority.

If he is removed altogether, Labour will not become a credible electoral force and the likes of Tristram HUnt, Chuka Umunna will not lead them to victory.

Chuka has thrown his support for Benn. Could he be next ?

At least Tom Watson enjoyed himself at Glasto.

Up to half of the shadow cabinet is set to resign in a bid to oust Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, it is understood.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36632956

AlcoholBrazil wrote:

Haha. The thing is, I've got him saying it in my head now.

Len McCluskey of UNITE has said that any attempt to keep Corbyn off the Labour leadership ballot paper will lead to the breakup of the party. I think this is happening anyway. The unions generally are cunts with this sort of stuff.

Bloody hell. Ten resignation letters from the Shadow Cabinet. The Blairites are having it away. Who the hell's going to fill their places? The remainder of the Portugal first team sans Ronnie would be a good fit.

Can we have more referendums please ?

This is ace.

Never known anything like it.

Time for another SDLP and maybe this time they will have the wit to stay a million fucking miles away from the liberals

m4 colin wrote:Time for another SDLP and maybe this time they will have the wit to stay a million fucking miles away from the liberals

Yep. Traditional labour has nowt in common with these people and there is plenty of support from the blue ranks for the genuine working classes.

It's a real world alliance the liberals dread.

Plenty of people calling for this now.

Time to sharpen up the guillotine.

Didn't all the Labour party members and £3 Mob that voted for him realise that he had been a long time vocal Euro-sceptic?

What did they think was going to happen.

m4 colin wrote:Time for another SDLP and maybe this time they will have the wit to stay a million fucking miles away from the liberals

You mean SDP not SDLP. The SDLP are a Northern Irish party.