Multiculturalism - part 3

[Steve Hunt]

I've never been able to grasp how anti-EU types throw in the word "socialist" in their attacks.

I wouldn't say it is a socialist organisation, but it does display a lot of socialist tendencies:

- Over regulation
- Bailouts
- Centralization of power
- Central planning of the economy.
- Corrupt
- Unaccountable
- Hugely wasteful
- Layer & layers of unnecessary bureaucracy

[Roy Twing]

This post isn't intended to be a dig at multiculturalism as such ( for a change), but I spotted this ad in a local free newspaper, and thought I'd paste it on here purely for amusement:

[m4rkb]

I saw one of these nutters on the tele some years back. A Nigerian if I remember correctly. He claimed he could cure anything so the undercover reporter went along and claimed not to be doing as well in his job as he could be doing and wanted him to sort it out.

Fair play to him in a sense, because if anyone was stupid enough to stump up the thousand pound he quoted to sort it out they deserved to be robbed.

But it's nice to have such diverse practices that can drive demons away and bring spiritual healing and luck which we can't get from our normal British compatriots.

I'm just trying to remember where I've seen one of these recently pinned to a notice board somewhere. I think it might be your man in the ad too.

Last point. Can we see the accounts for this 'business'

[The Tick]

This post isn't intended to be a dig at multiculturalism as such ( for a change), but I spotted this ad in a local free newspaper, and thought I'd paste it on here purely for amusement:

Thanks. I've been looking for somewhere to print leaflets for my multiculturalism campaign.

[minx]

These guys advertise spiritual services but really it's a front for dodgy paperwork dealings innit

Multiculturalism works on paper but those involved need to be working together as 1 big culture. For the most part I think a lot of immigrants are looking for that but we shouldn't have to be happy with the immigrants who come here and set up only to want to carry on living how they were, but with a benefits system to prop them up

[Roy Twing]

These guys advertise spiritual services but really it's a front for dodgy paperwork dealings innit

Multiculturalism works on paper but those involved need to be working together as 1 big culture. For the most part I think a lot of immigrants are looking for that but we shouldn't have to be happy with the immigrants who come here and set up only to want to carry on living how they were, but with a benefits system to prop them up

Most people don't seem to 'get' what multiculturalism is about, - it is not about us all becoming one big happy family, - it is entirely the opposite, - keeping the various cultures separate.
A recipe for the destruction of our once homogeneous and safe society.

[minx]

I think that too much has been put into teaching kids that there are no differences between people when really we should have been taught to know the differences, and accept as is (or not at all)

[m4rkb]

These guys advertise spiritual services but really it's a front for dodgy paperwork dealings innit

Multiculturalism works on paper but those involved need to be working together as 1 big culture. For the most part I think a lot of immigrants are looking for that but we shouldn't have to be happy with the immigrants who come here and set up only to want to carry on living how they were, but with a benefits system to prop them up

Most people don't seem to 'get' what multiculturalism is about, - it is not about us all becoming one big happy family, - it is entirely the opposite, - keeping the various cultures separate.
A recipe for the destruction of our once homogeneous and safe society.

Which makes Hillman's claim that we've never had proper multiculturalism even more alarming.

Nothing could demonstrate a perfect divide and rule policy better than proper multiculturalism. My personal view is it's so popular with our political elite for precisely this reason. The last thing they want is a totally united electorate.

[Hillman avenger]

Point missed totally.

Multiculturalism is the open tolerance and even adoption of best facets of all the cultures present in a society.

What we have had is not that- it has been the development of parallel cultures, and the more that happens the greater the mutual suspicions grow, which only reinforces the separation.

I've just been in Holland, which has a proportionately larger proportion of "ethnics" and a higher population density. Despite the efforts of Wilders, they get on pretty well.

So muliticulturalism has not failed- we've never seen it.

[Roy Twing]

Point missed totally.

Multiculturalism is the open tolerance and even adoption of best facets of all the cultures present in a society.

What we have had is not that- it has been the development of parallel cultures, and the more that happens the greater the mutual suspicions grow, which only reinforces the separation.

I've just been in Holland, which has a proportionately larger proportion of "ethnics" and a higher population density. Despite the efforts of Wilders, they get on pretty well.

So muliticulturalism has not failed- we've never seen it.

As per your previous efforts on this topic, - so many errors it's hard to know where to begin.
Perhaps, if you would like to discuss it, you should clarify where you have read that (mis) interpretation of the doctrine of multiculturalism that continues to pervade our country.

[Hillman avenger]

It's simple enough Roy.

I think it is an approach to optimising society which recognises the realities of modern life- that you can't successfully bolt yourself away any more. It is about respecting each other and differences, enjoying similarities together and letting people get on with their lives without prejudice.

As I said, I have just seen it at work in Holland, a country I have visited lots of times. The biggest difference there is how everyone is working to increase the size of the cake rather than arguing about how it's sliced. It is a positive, optimistic society which allows people to do what they want as long as they don't harm others. The respect for public services and public spaces puts us to shame.

By the way Holland still has managed border exit controls.

You and the other buffoon seem to believe that all it amounts to is mass and unmanaged immigration, dedicated to the overthrow of "our way of life" . That is absurd; neither you nor him have ever provided any coherent suggestion as to WHY anyone would WANT to do that. He seems to think it's aimed at him personally; I can't decide if that's utter stupidity or arrogance or both.

The failure of this government to change the flow of migration surely is conclusive evidence that there is no master plan to dilute "Britishness " ( whatever that is, and however desirable that is).

It's time we faced the world not as we'd like it to be, nor as it was in 1950, and get on with making it work, not focusing on difference all the time.

[Roy Twing]

Thank you for the treatise on how Holland (the second most densely populated country after England) deals with its multiracial population, together with an added bonus of condescension (untruthful at that) for good measure.
I asked you where you obtained that previous definition of multiculturalism from, because it is not the definition that I believe to be the generally accepted one in the political world.

[the rotary club]

Holland is more densely populated than England in FACT so is the Netherlands.

Population density of England 410 people per sq km
Population density of the Netherlands 497 people per sq km
Population density of Holland 1200 people per sq km

[Hillman avenger]

Thank you for the treatise on how Holland (the second most densely populated country after England) deals with its multiracial population, together with an added bonus of condescension (untruthful at that) for good measure.
I asked you where you obtained that previous definition of multiculturalism from, because it is not the definition that I believe to be the generally accepted one in the political world.

Do explain.

[Kowalski]

It's simple enough Roy.

I think it is an approach to optimising society which recognises the realities of modern life- that you can't successfully bolt yourself away any more. It is about respecting each other and differences, enjoying similarities together and letting people get on with their lives without prejudice.

As I said, I have just seen it at work in Holland, a country I have visited lots of times. The biggest difference there is how everyone is working to increase the size of the cake rather than arguing about how it's sliced. It is a positive, optimistic society which allows people to do what they want as long as they don't harm others. The respect for public services and public spaces puts us to shame.

By the way Holland still has managed border exit controls.

You and the other buffoon seem to believe that all it amounts to is mass and unmanaged immigration, dedicated to the overthrow of "our way of life" . That is absurd; neither you nor him have ever provided any coherent suggestion as to WHY anyone would WANT to do that. He seems to think it's aimed at him personally; I can't decide if that's utter stupidity or arrogance or both.

The failure of this government to change the flow of migration surely is conclusive evidence that there is no master plan to dilute "Britishness " ( whatever that is, and however desirable that is).

It's time we faced the world not as we'd like it to be, nor as it was in 1950, and get on with making it work, not focusing on difference all the time.

How do you explain this then Hillman?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... ch-cabinet

Dutch cabinet approves partial ban on Islamic veil in public areas

Schools, hospitals and public transport would be covered by ban, but Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte insists prohibition is not religiously motivated

[Rossco]

It's simple enough Roy.

I think it is an approach to optimising society which recognises the realities of modern life- that you can't successfully bolt yourself away any more. It is about respecting each other and differences, enjoying similarities together and letting people get on with their lives without prejudice.

As I said, I have just seen it at work in Holland, a country I have visited lots of times. The biggest difference there is how everyone is working to increase the size of the cake rather than arguing about how it's sliced. It is a positive, optimistic society which allows people to do what they want as long as they don't harm others. The respect for public services and public spaces puts us to shame.

By the way Holland still has managed border exit controls.

You and the other buffoon seem to believe that all it amounts to is mass and unmanaged immigration, dedicated to the overthrow of "our way of life" . That is absurd; neither you nor him have ever provided any coherent suggestion as to WHY anyone would WANT to do that. He seems to think it's aimed at him personally; I can't decide if that's utter stupidity or arrogance or both.

The failure of this government to change the flow of migration surely is conclusive evidence that there is no master plan to dilute "Britishness " ( whatever that is, and however desirable that is).

It's time we faced the world not as we'd like it to be, nor as it was in 1950, and get on with making it work, not focusing on difference all the time.

How do you explain this then Hillman?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... ch-cabinet

Dutch cabinet approves partial ban on Islamic veil in public areas

Schools, hospitals and public transport would be covered by ban, but Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte insists prohibition is not religiously motivated

The good old liberal standpoint to most things will prob apply here as well.

[Hillman avenger]

It's simple enough Roy.

I think it is an approach to optimising society which recognises the realities of modern life- that you can't successfully bolt yourself away any more. It is about respecting each other and differences, enjoying similarities together and letting people get on with their lives without prejudice.

As I said, I have just seen it at work in Holland, a country I have visited lots of times. The biggest difference there is how everyone is working to increase the size of the cake rather than arguing about how it's sliced. It is a positive, optimistic society which allows people to do what they want as long as they don't harm others. The respect for public services and public spaces puts us to shame.

By the way Holland still has managed border exit controls.

You and the other buffoon seem to believe that all it amounts to is mass and unmanaged immigration, dedicated to the overthrow of "our way of life" . That is absurd; neither you nor him have ever provided any coherent suggestion as to WHY anyone would WANT to do that. He seems to think it's aimed at him personally; I can't decide if that's utter stupidity or arrogance or both.

The failure of this government to change the flow of migration surely is conclusive evidence that there is no master plan to dilute "Britishness " ( whatever that is, and however desirable that is).

It's time we faced the world not as we'd like it to be, nor as it was in 1950, and get on with making it work, not focusing on difference all the time.

How do you explain this then Hillman?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... ch-cabinet

Dutch cabinet approves partial ban on Islamic veil in public areas

Schools, hospitals and public transport would be covered by ban, but Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte insists prohibition is not religiously motivated

Don't have a problem with that.
The point is it's in the open. Go there and see for yourself.

[Kowalski]

I've had friends that have left Holland because of the large scale immigration.

Unless you live in a country you don't really know what is going on. Visiting there is not the same.

[Carlos J]

Indeed, Kow. So where did your Dutch friend emigrants go off to? Somewhere whiter?

Just for some stats, I've been to Holland 20+ times. Lovely country, Dam is still one of the greatest cities around.

[The Tick]

I've had friends that have left Holland because of the large scale immigration.

Unless you live in a country you don't really know what is going on. Visiting there is not the same.

So their answer to immigration in the Netherlands is to migrate elsewhere and take jobs away from the lovely people who's families have lived there for generations?

[Hillman avenger]

I've had friends that have left Holland because of the large scale immigration.

Unless you live in a country you don't really know what is going on. Visiting there is not the same.

I didn't say there were not any people who opposed immigration in Holland.

The big difference is that they don't dominate the political scene like they are here.

We have reached a point where people have a default setting that opposes immigration and immigrants, even if they can't explain coherently why. This is one of the reasons why I find the claim that the media has a left-wing agenda so absurd.

[Kowalski]

People do explain coherently why, you just don't want to listen.

[m4rkb]

In almost all cases in all countries, these migrants form ghettos. IT is not the people the natives object to per se but the formation of these ghettos. Eventually down the line we start to hear that famous word 'disaffected' which in Britain was the tag associated with all the ethnic rioters yet their families had been here for years before all this.

When we have a country rapidly filling with all types no one has offered a guarantee the scale of disaffection won't be enormous at some point in the future.

We can all then look forward to some type of paramilitary police to deal with it all. A far cry from the traditional British Bobby we are just about holding onto in some small sense.

If there were ever a food shortage in this country, or more commonly just a simple a power cut, the scale of anarchy would be ruinous. None of these things ever seem to enter the equation.

[m4rkb]

People do explain coherently why, you just don't want to listen.

In one ear out the other Kow.

That's why we end up repeating ourselves so often.

[the rotary club]

You are one of the most incoherent ranters on here.

Take the post one above, from the FACT that migrant communities are common place to some deranged fantasy about paramilitary police and food shortages.

Incoherent is very much a compliment.