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Well, your interest in that particular subject was one of the things which led me in that direction, but only one. Matters not, because it's apparently wrong. Incidentally, I wasn't trying to investigate you or anything Carlos, just a general impression I got.
I'm usually right about these long shots, so I'd expected to be on that too, but please don't think I'm being cheeky or nosey.

Fug1 wrote:Do you think Theresa May cares more than Tony Blair does about my life?

Of course they don't, they couldn't give a fucking shit.

There's better examples of politicians that 'care' than those two though.

Who cares?

AlcoholBrazil wrote:

Zambo wrote:Everyone knows Mair is as guilty as fuck, so why to we have to go through this charade.

Because there is so much political capital wrapped up in this case on either side of the argument.
Ms.Cox will be immortalised by the timing of her slaying in regards of the Referendum.

As some predicted on here the bbc (and other broadcasters ) are falling over themselves (rightly or wrongly ) to link the killing of jo cox with the 'far right', and making sure that 'the far right' and by association, brexit, are vilified.

They have just said on BBC news that the killer was a 'white supremacist'.

Roy Twing wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:

Zambo wrote:Everyone knows Mair is as guilty as fuck, so why to we have to go through this charade.

Because there is so much political capital wrapped up in this case on either side of the argument.
Ms.Cox will be immortalised by the timing of her slaying in regards of the Referendum.

As some predicted on here the bbc (and other broadcasters ) are falling over themselves (rightly or wrongly ) to link the killing of jo cox with the 'far right', and making sure that 'the far right' and by association, brexit, are vilified.

Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

Fug1 wrote:Do you think Theresa May cares more than Tony Blair does about my life?

Of course they don't, they couldn't give a fucking shit.

That's absolutely correct and a theme I've been following here for perhaps too long. You put it in a way which might be more understandable to some , but good luck in shaking their simple minded tribal loyalty to the people exploiting them, or hostility toward anyone who tries to challenge their politicians and their dogma.

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:

Zambo wrote:Everyone knows Mair is as guilty as fuck, so why to we have to go through this charade.

Because there is so much political capital wrapped up in this case on either side of the argument.
Ms.Cox will be immortalised by the timing of her slaying in regards of the Referendum.

As some predicted on here the bbc (and other broadcasters ) are falling over themselves (rightly or wrongly ) to link the killing of jo cox with the 'far right', and making sure that 'the far right' and by association, brexit, are vilified.

Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

He was definately far right, and I hope he wasn't motivated by Brexit, but he could have been I suppose.

But that doesn't make Brexit bad, it makes him a lunatic.

Fug1 wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:

Zambo wrote:Everyone knows Mair is as guilty as fuck, so why to we have to go through this charade.

Because there is so much political capital wrapped up in this case on either side of the argument.
Ms.Cox will be immortalised by the timing of her slaying in regards of the Referendum.

As some predicted on here the bbc (and other broadcasters ) are falling over themselves (rightly or wrongly ) to link the killing of jo cox with the 'far right', and making sure that 'the far right' and by association, brexit, are vilified.

Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

He was definately far right, and I hope he wasn't motivated by Brexit, but he could have been I suppose.

But that doesn't make Brexit bad, it makes him a lunatic.

Agreed, I think he was just a bit simple like most people interested in Britain First and the whole brexit thing just sent him over the edge.

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:

Zambo wrote:Everyone knows Mair is as guilty as fuck, so why to we have to go through this charade.

Because there is so much political capital wrapped up in this case on either side of the argument.
Ms.Cox will be immortalised by the timing of her slaying in regards of the Referendum.

As some predicted on here the bbc (and other broadcasters ) are falling over themselves (rightly or wrongly ) to link the killing of jo cox with the 'far right', and making sure that 'the far right' and by association, brexit, are vilified.

Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

He might have been, but as I've said before whatever happens to motivate a nutter cannot then be held generally responsible for his actions. I told you before about the murder over a crispy pancake roll and asked whether we should blame Chinese food.
I think it's fair to say that if he'd been motivated by extreme socialist or Islamic views they'd be downplaying or omitting it. The idea is to associate everyone who voted to leave the EU with extreme right wing politics and potential violence - its quite obvious , quite untrue and very insulting to a large part of the population , and it is exactly why no one trusts the media any more.
In the same way that they actively cover up a real problem of violence and murder which definitely exists in one section of the population, they take a single example of a clearly insane man acting as an individual and try to taint over half the voting public with it.
What they don't appear to grasp is that they're actually damaging their own reputation and credibility much more than they are of their enemies - and that's US incidentally if we dare to form opinions or vote without following their instructions.

They're supposed to report the news, not use it as a tool to manipulate opinion in a political direction if their choosing .

Royal24s wrote:They're supposed to report the news, not use it as a tool to manipulate opinion in a political direction if their choosing .

How would you even start to do that in this case?

You can't label fruitcakes like that far right. Having far right views doesn't mean you go round shooting and stabbing people. He was no doubt influenced by views from that area, but don't mix this cunt up with someone who has had their gutful of the left and wants change in a democratic way.

Zambo wrote:You can't label fruitcakes like that far right. Having far right views doesn't mean you go round shooting and stabbing people. He was no doubt influenced by views from that area, but don't mix this cunt up with someone who has had their gutful of the left and wants change in a democratic way.

The papers are labelling him a white supremacist, I think that's a little further on than right wing isn't it?

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:

Zambo wrote:Everyone knows Mair is as guilty as fuck, so why to we have to go through this charade.

Because there is so much political capital wrapped up in this case on either side of the argument.
Ms.Cox will be immortalised by the timing of her slaying in regards of the Referendum.

As some predicted on here the bbc (and other broadcasters ) are falling over themselves (rightly or wrongly ) to link the killing of jo cox with the 'far right', and making sure that 'the far right' and by association, brexit, are vilified.

Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

From the reports it would certainly appear to be the case that he was.
The point was as has already been explained, - just compare the clamour to blame certain far right groups and Brexit with the opposite when a certain cult may be behind the perpetrator.

warmleatherette wrote:

Zambo wrote:You can't label fruitcakes like that far right. Having far right views doesn't mean you go round shooting and stabbing people. He was no doubt influenced by views from that area, but don't mix this cunt up with someone who has had their gutful of the left and wants change in a democratic way.

The papers are labelling him a white supremacist, I think that's a little further on than right wing isn't it?

Yes, but I was just responding to your post.

warmleatherette wrote:
Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

Roy Twing wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:

Zambo wrote:Everyone knows Mair is as guilty as fuck, so why to we have to go through this charade.

Because there is so much political capital wrapped up in this case on either side of the argument.
Ms.Cox will be immortalised by the timing of her slaying in regards of the Referendum.

As some predicted on here the bbc (and other broadcasters ) are falling over themselves (rightly or wrongly ) to link the killing of jo cox with the 'far right', and making sure that 'the far right' and by association, brexit, are vilified.

Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

From the reports it would certainly appear to be the case that he was.
The point was as has already been explained, - just compare the clamour to blame certain far right groups and Brexit with the opposite when a certain cult may be behind the perpetrator.

"Certain far right groups" isn't that the same as "Islamic extremists", as has been pointed out just because you're right wing doesn't mean you're a knuckle dragging racist, The same could and should be viewed the same regarding Islam but as we all know some people can't seem to see a difference.

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:

Zambo wrote:Everyone knows Mair is as guilty as fuck, so why to we have to go through this charade.

Because there is so much political capital wrapped up in this case on either side of the argument.
Ms.Cox will be immortalised by the timing of her slaying in regards of the Referendum.

As some predicted on here the bbc (and other broadcasters ) are falling over themselves (rightly or wrongly ) to link the killing of jo cox with the 'far right', and making sure that 'the far right' and by association, brexit, are vilified.

Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

From the reports it would certainly appear to be the case that he was.
The point was as has already been explained, - just compare the clamour to blame certain far right groups and Brexit with the opposite when a certain cult may be behind the perpetrator.

"Certain far right groups" isn't that the same as "Islamic extremists", as has been pointed out just because you're right wing doesn't mean you're a knuckle dragging racist, The same could and should be viewed the same regarding Islam but as we all know some people can't seem to see a difference.

Agree with that bud.

Muslims who choose to follow Islamic laws not necessarily Sharia law, are not immediately terror threats to this Country.

But, this is where my issue begins with Islam in this Country; The laws of Britain are the ones that we recognise, we don't recognise Islamic law, and this is where I feel the incompatibility between East and West lies.

I've said it before, I really don't think there is a place in this Country for Islam the religion; I have no more of a problem with the Muslims of the world than I do any other religion.

But this is a Christain Country headed by the Queen, that's the way it has been since Henry 8th.

Fug1 wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:

Zambo wrote:Everyone knows Mair is as guilty as fuck, so why to we have to go through this charade.

Because there is so much political capital wrapped up in this case on either side of the argument.
Ms.Cox will be immortalised by the timing of her slaying in regards of the Referendum.

As some predicted on here the bbc (and other broadcasters ) are falling over themselves (rightly or wrongly ) to link the killing of jo cox with the 'far right', and making sure that 'the far right' and by association, brexit, are vilified.

Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

From the reports it would certainly appear to be the case that he was.
The point was as has already been explained, - just compare the clamour to blame certain far right groups and Brexit with the opposite when a certain cult may be behind the perpetrator.

"Certain far right groups" isn't that the same as "Islamic extremists", as has been pointed out just because you're right wing doesn't mean you're a knuckle dragging racist, The same could and should be viewed the same regarding Islam but as we all know some people can't seem to see a difference.

Agree with that bud.

Muslims who choose to follow Islamic laws not necessarily Sharia law, are not immediately terror threats to this Country.

But, this is where my issue begins with Islam in this Country; The laws of Britain are the ones that we recognise, we don't recognise Islamic law, and this is where I feel the incompatibility between East and West lies.

When we start actually having any "Islamic" laws bestowed on us is when I will start worrying about it, meanwhile I'll keep enjoying my free beers with my curry down Brick lane

warmleatherette wrote:

Fug1 wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:
Because there is so much political capital wrapped up in this case on either side of the argument.
Ms.Cox will be immortalised by the timing of her slaying in regards of the Referendum.

As some predicted on here the bbc (and other broadcasters ) are falling over themselves (rightly or wrongly ) to link the killing of jo cox with the 'far right', and making sure that 'the far right' and by association, brexit, are vilified.

Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

From the reports it would certainly appear to be the case that he was.
The point was as has already been explained, - just compare the clamour to blame certain far right groups and Brexit with the opposite when a certain cult may be behind the perpetrator.

"Certain far right groups" isn't that the same as "Islamic extremists", as has been pointed out just because you're right wing doesn't mean you're a knuckle dragging racist, The same could and should be viewed the same regarding Islam but as we all know some people can't seem to see a difference.

Agree with that bud.

Muslims who choose to follow Islamic laws not necessarily Sharia law, are not immediately terror threats to this Country.

But, this is where my issue begins with Islam in this Country; The laws of Britain are the ones that we recognise, we don't recognise Islamic law, and this is where I feel the incompatibility between East and West lies.

When we start actually having any "Islamic" laws bestowed on us is when I will start worrying about it, meanwhile I'll keep enjoying my free beers with my curry down Brick lane

Muslim only schools? Plenty of them in Birmingham and talk of abolishing C of E schools as they are not inclusive.

They are the youngsters that might possibly shape future policy in this Country.

Do you have an opinion on that?

Fug1 wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Fug1 wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:
As some predicted on here the bbc (and other broadcasters ) are falling over themselves (rightly or wrongly ) to link the killing of jo cox with the 'far right', and making sure that 'the far right' and by association, brexit, are vilified.

Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

From the reports it would certainly appear to be the case that he was.
The point was as has already been explained, - just compare the clamour to blame certain far right groups and Brexit with the opposite when a certain cult may be behind the perpetrator.

"Certain far right groups" isn't that the same as "Islamic extremists", as has been pointed out just because you're right wing doesn't mean you're a knuckle dragging racist, The same could and should be viewed the same regarding Islam but as we all know some people can't seem to see a difference.

Agree with that bud.

Muslims who choose to follow Islamic laws not necessarily Sharia law, are not immediately terror threats to this Country.

But, this is where my issue begins with Islam in this Country; The laws of Britain are the ones that we recognise, we don't recognise Islamic law, and this is where I feel the incompatibility between East and West lies.

When we start actually having any "Islamic" laws bestowed on us is when I will start worrying about it, meanwhile I'll keep enjoying my free beers with my curry down Brick lane

Muslim only schools? Plenty of them in Birmingham and talk of abolishing C of E schools as they are not inclusive.

They are the youngsters that might possibly shape future policy in this Country.

Do you have an opinion on that?

Are there Muslim only schools or is it that the demographic of the area means that all the pupils are Muslim, there is a difference, as for the youngsters shaping policy I agree, that's democracy.

warmleatherette wrote: When we start actually having any "Islamic" laws bestowed on us is when I will start worrying about it, meanwhile I'll keep enjoying my free beers with my curry down Brick lane

Too late then.

Zambo wrote:

warmleatherette wrote: When we start actually having any "Islamic" laws bestowed on us is when I will start worrying about it, meanwhile I'll keep enjoying my free beers with my curry down Brick lane

Too late then.

Really, name one?

warmleatherette wrote:

Fug1 wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Fug1 wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:
Do you not think he was far right and he was motivated by the whole brexit scenario?

From the reports it would certainly appear to be the case that he was.
The point was as has already been explained, - just compare the clamour to blame certain far right groups and Brexit with the opposite when a certain cult may be behind the perpetrator.

"Certain far right groups" isn't that the same as "Islamic extremists", as has been pointed out just because you're right wing doesn't mean you're a knuckle dragging racist, The same could and should be viewed the same regarding Islam but as we all know some people can't seem to see a difference.

Agree with that bud.

Muslims who choose to follow Islamic laws not necessarily Sharia law, are not immediately terror threats to this Country.

But, this is where my issue begins with Islam in this Country; The laws of Britain are the ones that we recognise, we don't recognise Islamic law, and this is where I feel the incompatibility between East and West lies.

When we start actually having any "Islamic" laws bestowed on us is when I will start worrying about it, meanwhile I'll keep enjoying my free beers with my curry down Brick lane

Muslim only schools? Plenty of them in Birmingham and talk of abolishing C of E schools as they are not inclusive.

They are the youngsters that might possibly shape future policy in this Country.

Do you have an opinion on that?

Are there Muslim only schools or is it that the demographic of the area means that all the pupils are Muslim, there is a difference, as for the youngsters shaping policy I agree, that's democracy.

No a number of Muslim leaders have set up Schools, the reason given was mainstream schools were not teaching the kids about Muslim values and beliefs.

Trouble with your point on youngsters shaping policy of they decide Islamic law is the way forward, that ain't democratic.

I haven't got a crystal ball and I'm not particularly clever, but I have got eyes and ears, some things will just not be compatible, it don't make one side right or wrong; good or evil, if either.

On the whole I'm live and let live kind of person but sometimes you have to conceed some things cannot work.

I don't mean people cannot live together from other nations and colours, it's just the religion of Islam (No other) that I think will struggle to be compatible.

Sorry about any spelling mistakes on predict text on phone.

Fug1 wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Fug1 wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Fug1 wrote:

warmleatherette wrote:

Roy Twing wrote:
From the reports it would certainly appear to be the case that he was.
The point was as has already been explained, - just compare the clamour to blame certain far right groups and Brexit with the opposite when a certain cult may be behind the perpetrator.

"Certain far right groups" isn't that the same as "Islamic extremists", as has been pointed out just because you're right wing doesn't mean you're a knuckle dragging racist, The same could and should be viewed the same regarding Islam but as we all know some people can't seem to see a difference.

Agree with that bud.

Muslims who choose to follow Islamic laws not necessarily Sharia law, are not immediately terror threats to this Country.

But, this is where my issue begins with Islam in this Country; The laws of Britain are the ones that we recognise, we don't recognise Islamic law, and this is where I feel the incompatibility between East and West lies.

When we start actually having any "Islamic" laws bestowed on us is when I will start worrying about it, meanwhile I'll keep enjoying my free beers with my curry down Brick lane

Muslim only schools? Plenty of them in Birmingham and talk of abolishing C of E schools as they are not inclusive.

They are the youngsters that might possibly shape future policy in this Country.

Do you have an opinion on that?

Are there Muslim only schools or is it that the demographic of the area means that all the pupils are Muslim, there is a difference, as for the youngsters shaping policy I agree, that's democracy.

No a number of Muslim leaders have set up Schools, the reason given was mainstream schools were not teaching the kids about Muslim values and beliefs.

Trouble with your point on youngsters shaping policy of they decide Islamic law is the way forward, that ain't democratic.

I haven't got a crystal ball and I'm not particularly clever, but I have got eyes and ears, some things will just not be compatible, it don't make one side right or wrong, if either.

On the whole I'm live and let live kind of person but sometimes you have to conceed some things cannot work.

I'm not suggesting anythings compatible or indeed wanted but of course it's democratic, to change any laws or anything else you'll have to vote it in that's how democracy works, even if the numbers of voters made laws you or I disagreed with it would still be democracy.