Talk xenephobe

[scully]

Crying and wailing as an English manager gets binned he was 7th etc .. if said manager was one of them foreign types they would say he deserves it being 7th .. same old bollocks

[JW90]

Some are xenophobic, some are just insular. Let's be honest, they've barely got a clue who most of the managers are in this country let alone others.

[carcinogen]

There seems to be an unhealthy dislike to Bradley at Swansea and surely he is the acceptable face of a foreigner ie: White and English Speaking. Imagine if the coach of the leading team of the D.R. Congo league was being touted as the next manager of a Premier League Club?

Although, having said that, and this is where the fucking hypocrisy really kicks in, when someone is so clearly against the agenda ie: a native African black transgender manager, the TalkSport presenters bend-over backwards to point-out how 'acceptable' and 'right' is all is.

I fucking HATE TalkSport and I fucking HATE Sky Corp. Fucking scum. And I don't buy for a moment the Colin Murray bullshite either ... why not just call the fuckers out instead of some cryptic weak 'I won't work with Sky' apologist bullshit. He's the fucking worst. If you're gonna work for Sky, embrace it to the full. If not, reject it to the full.

[JW90]

There seems to be an unhealthy dislike to Bradley at Swansea and surely he is the acceptable face of a foreigner ie: White and English Speaking.

There is still a disdain for Americans and football. Dean Saunders even said his accent was a problem. Utterly depressing really.

[kancutlawns]

There seems to be an unhealthy dislike to Bradley at Swansea and surely he is the acceptable face of a foreigner ie: White and English Speaking.

There is still a disdain for Americans and football. Dean Saunders even said his accent was a problem. Utterly depressing really.

Porky said Americans speak a different language from us.

[kevin04]

There seems to be an unhealthy dislike to Bradley at Swansea and surely he is the acceptable face of a foreigner ie: White and English Speaking.

There is still a disdain for Americans and football. Dean Saunders even said his accent was a problem. Utterly depressing really.

Yes, very odd and strange behavior.

I heard a caller this week - think it was Call Cundy or some call in show, who wasn't a Swansea fan, I think Man Utd from somewhere like Somerset - who said that if he was a player he couldn't respect Bradley due to his accent and the words he uses.

Unbelievable really. And there's a lot of thick Brits out there who can't respect him because he is American and probably has called the sport soccer at some point in his life.

Bradley has come across as an absolute gent in all the interviews and bits of media I have seen him in. Even one of his biggest fans ol' MG said he cannot stand the way he says 'Premier'. If we are going all in then I don't like the way some English people cannot pronounce the surname Kerr and make it sound like care.

I hope he keeps Swansea up.

[JW90]

Listened to a bit of Saggers and Calvin before they went all serious debate on us and was enlightened by their frankly nonsensical and unworkable suggestions alongside the overwhelming air of disdain for them overseas lot.

I do feel for Rowett as he's done a good job at Birmingham following on from Burton- he should get a decent level job soon enough- but the people in charge have done nothing illegal. Morally wrong? Possibly. Risky? Hell yes. But they have the right to do this and it could work out for the better. They seem to have a plan in place and it remains to be seen how that will work.

Calvin then put the notion forward that there should be a managerial window where clubs have the same manager all season. Firstly, what if they lose 12 straight games and you can't sack them? They don't really deserve to stay. Secondly, what if a manager wants to move clubs? Would you deny that opportunity to them if they are the best candidate? You want loyalty but it works both ways.

Saggers put forward that we could introduce a "Rooney Rule"-type initiative for British managers. What? Why should British managers get help? It is a global game whether you like it or not and clubs are free to choose who they like.

It's a tough game, a results business and unfortunately some aren't up to the mark. That's the way it goes I'm afraid. You will get some harsh sackings but plenty are deserved, British and foreign managers alike. But when you have a man who has won six league titles in two countries along with two European Cups being seriously questioned because he didn't like a goalkeeper and lost a couple of games then what should we expect? Believe me, if Pep was English he'd be revered.

[wyongho]

Saggers likes to think of himself as a modern tolerant forward thinking man but really deep down Alf Garnet is screaming to get out

[Basualdo]

There seems to be an unhealthy dislike to Bradley at Swansea and surely he is the acceptable face of a foreigner ie: White and English Speaking.

There is still a disdain for Americans and football. Dean Saunders even said his accent was a problem. Utterly depressing really.

Yes, very odd and strange behavior.

I heard a caller this week - think it was Call Cundy or some call in show, who wasn't a Swansea fan, I think Man Utd from somewhere like Somerset - who said that if he was a player he couldn't respect Bradley due to his accent and the words he uses.

This from some six toed bigeared brotherwife?
One of my many self confessed irrationalities is to judge someone by their accent. Though I share this one with 99%of the rest of Britain.
Lets face it, if Stephen Hawking spoke with a wurzel drawl instead of robot, then, no matter how many thousand his IQ is, he would be currently spending his days on a mobility scooter trundling round a Yeovil shopping mall freaking out shoppers and deliberately ramming teenage girls.
We only keep Wurzels around for cheap organ donation, pikey harassing (which they're shit at, by the way) and legally permissible racism (see this post).

[kancutlawns]

Saggers likes to think of himself as a modern tolerant forward thinking man but really deep down Alf Garnet is screaming to get out

And a gay, sexually repressed Alf Garnett at that.

[Basualdo]

Saggers likes to think of himself as a modern tolerant forward thinking man but really deep down Alf Garnet is screaming to get out

And a gay, sexually repressed Alf Garnett at that.

If you will permit me to do a little 'Reg', I think I covered that particular aspect quite well in my criminally under-rated - some might say, callously ignored - Saggers-centric song, 'Sagg's Arousers' in the recent 'Talksport Song book' thread.
If I may be allowed to reproduce it. Its to the tune of 'Baggy trousers'.

SAGG'S AROUSERS


Wearing skintight leather skirts,
German lads in smart brown shirts,
Beating up a swarthy man at the docks in Rotterdam.

Calling Aussies 'reject poms',
Watching last night of the Proms,
Posting shit through the front door,
of that Asian family at number four.


Oh Saggs will be be thrilled,
to read of the the people killed,
far off in foreign lands,
rather there than here at hand.
Hoping its not harsh,
to get a chub over Hackney Marsh.
Don't think that its gay,
to jizz on Stanloys dossier.


Cruising round the heath at night,
Oiling up for a playful fight,
Remembering times at the BBC with Jimmy S and DLT.

Michael Calvin's latest book,
Denying 'Arry is a crook,
Talking mockney, spurning muff,
voting UKIP, all great stuff!


What makes Saggers drool
is stuff he learnt at public school.
Thought it such a shame,
if he didnt lose the biscuit game.
If he had a choice,
he'd always talk in his funeral voice.
Hopes it makes men think,
that he's quite butch and not a twiiiiink....




Sagg's arousers
Sagg's arousers
Sagg's arousers
Sagg's a-rou-sers.

Sagg's arousers
Sagg's arousers
Sagg's arousers
Sagg's a-rou-sers.

https://www.talkforum.co.uk/viewtopic.p ... 3&start=15

[kancutlawns]

Impressive.

[wyongho]

Basualdo

[tennisman]

Listened to a bit of Saggers and Calvin before they went all serious debate on us and was enlightened by their frankly nonsensical and unworkable suggestions alongside the overwhelming air of disdain for them overseas lot.

I do feel for Rowett as he's done a good job at Birmingham following on from Burton- he should get a decent level job soon enough- but the people in charge have done nothing illegal. Morally wrong? Possibly. Risky? Hell yes. But they have the right to do this and it could work out for the better. They seem to have a plan in place and it remains to be seen how that will work.

Calvin then put the notion forward that there should be a managerial window where clubs have the same manager all season. Firstly, what if they lose 12 straight games and you can't sack them? They don't really deserve to stay. Secondly, what if a manager wants to move clubs? Would you deny that opportunity to them if they are the best candidate? You want loyalty but it works both ways.

Saggers put forward that we could introduce a "Rooney Rule"-type initiative for British managers. What? Why should British managers get help? It is a global game whether you like it or not and clubs are free to choose who they like.

It's a tough game, a results business and unfortunately some aren't up to the mark. That's the way it goes I'm afraid. You will get some harsh sackings but plenty are deserved, British and foreign managers alike. But when you have a man who has won six league titles in two countries along with two European Cups being seriously questioned because he didn't like a goalkeeper and lost a couple of games then what should we expect? Believe me, if Pep was English he'd be revered.

In a way, all of the developments of the modern game are at the end of a historical cycle which we initiated, albeit unwittingly when we launched the game back in the late 1800's.

Wilson's Inverting the Pyramid lays out how there was a significant movement of predominantly English coaches who went abroad and were heavily instrumental in starting and / or growing the game in Europe and South America.

As English football became established, especially after 1945, as it grew and grew, so did the game in many European countries with other nations copying our First Division (e.g. Bundesliga in '63).

European competitions took our top clubs across the continent and where the local national leagues were still small, the fans lapped up the football of English sides (I sell loads of Liverpool programmes to Scandinavia).

With the launch of the Premier League, as Sid Lowe once said, the 'best marketed league in the world', the revenues have been flowing into our game with ferocious velocity.

A relative of mine is a specialist in selling TV rights and was heavily involved with the Premier League selling the rights on a 2 year cycle to an increasing number of stations worldwide.

Although it seems daft, it looks like the TV viewing market for football is still not really tapped at all. Talk of bubbles bursting doesn't seem to have any validity.

Ironically, in a success driven greed-fest, we've allowed our clubs to be touted to just about whoever has the biggest cheque-books with some success in a few cases but an awful lot of destructive chaos in others.

Untainted or inculcated by our culture, these foreign owners look world-wide at their sport and the opportunities to ensure a return on their investment.

They have no allegiance to British / English managers. They have no allegiance to the England national team. They don't even have any allegiance to the Premier League as in most cases, we'd find that what they are really concerned about is how to protect and then enrich their assets.

A year or so back, I sat with a mate of mine who is a businessman in SE Asia. In a Manchester Chinese restaurant, all these Thai businessmen, contacts of my mate, sat with their mobile phones tilted on little stands while they scoffed their rice.

They were in the UK to talk about investing in Championship clubs with a UK agent, also at the table and even how they could spread their investments across more than one club without being found out. It was portfolio management but not in pork bellies and fresh orange juice but Championship and League 1 football clubs.

None of them knew a thing about English football.

So, we've gone full circle from the likes of Jimmy Hagen going abroad to coach and Charles Buchan's Football Monthly talking about how overseas clubs are always on the look-out for an English coach to a situation where if a big name ex player becomes available to an owner who is looking at the cash not the legacy, that name will be brought in.

The Blues' owners were probably saying Gary who?

The world-wide interest and demand for our football has generated a vast pot of gold which has ironically completely changed the very nature and dynamics of the game which created all the interest in the first place i a strange form of football self cannibalisation.

Whilst I love football across the planet and although I dislike the way that the word foreigner can be used with a perjorative undertone (not by me though), it is difficult to disagree with the phrase summarising the Premier League as 'A league owned by foreigners, played by foreigners on behalf of foreigners'.

[tennisman]

Saggers not backwards at coming forward with a scathing summary of the poor quality of the Bournemouth/Southampton game.

Such comments are at polar opposite to his BLITW and MCLITW narrative.

It seems that games are either 'A great advert for the Premier League' or ones to forget and I've heard the say as much of the latter as the former.

I'd far prefer less of the superlatives either way.

[JW90]

It's almost as though football has its good and bad games really. Like it always has done and always will do.

[wyongho]

man city v arsenal. .saggers slagging off the foreigners again, he should be arrested for inciting something or what have you

[tennisman]

It's almost as though football has its good and bad games really. Like it always has done and always will do.

Absolutely.