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Thought Assad has invited the Russians to help, nobody in power has invited NATO.

Syria = None of our business, let them get on with it, whoever wins, wins.

Terrible that people are being killed, that's on their conscious not mine.

Let's face it when we 'help' countries they end up double fucked.

paolo wrote:

Ralph wrote:

m4 colin wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:Nobody is in love with Islam.

And I don't need education from you about Syria. Or for that matter, anything else.

Seeing as how its been conclusively proved so called moderate anti Assad forces are the ones who used the chemical weapons I think you do!

It's been conclusively proved that (Putin backed) Assad used chemical weapons. So why such slavish support for him & Putin from some on the right?

Seems if you support a load of fascist nutters you can do no wrong as far as the 'alt right' are concerned. Butchering your own people & murdering dissidents not a problem. The 'alt right' is a moral vacumn.

it hasn't been proved at all

It has the real world.

The Tick wrote:

Ralph wrote:

m4 colin wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:Nobody is in love with Islam.

And I don't need education from you about Syria. Or for that matter, anything else.

Seeing as how its been conclusively proved so called moderate anti Assad forces are the ones who used the chemical weapons I think you do!

It's been conclusively proved that (Putin backed) Assad used chemical weapons. So why such slavish support for him & Putin from some on the right?

Seems if you support a load of fascist nutters you can do no wrong as far as the 'alt right' are concerned. Butchering your own people & murdering dissidents not a problem. The 'alt right' is a moral vacumn.

the chemical weapons accusations against Assad aren't that different to those used against saddam.

Just a ruse to justify intervention, regime change. Which will lead to the same chaos as Iraq and Libya. It's all crocodile tears. Otherwise where's the international drive to stop israels use of chemicals against the Palestinians.

It's all double standards and hollow bleating on the west'a part.

Saddam Hussien did use chemical weapons on his own people. When you say it was 'ruse' it sounds like you think he didn't.

You can criticise 'the wests' foreign policies & double standards whilst also realising that Putin is an authoritarian despot. In fact if you're going to criticise 'the west' it's a completely bizarre to then turn a blind eye to Putin's atrocities.

Ralph wrote:

The Tick wrote:

Ralph wrote:

m4 colin wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:Nobody is in love with Islam.

And I don't need education from you about Syria. Or for that matter, anything else.

Seeing as how its been conclusively proved so called moderate anti Assad forces are the ones who used the chemical weapons I think you do!

It's been conclusively proved that (Putin backed) Assad used chemical weapons. So why such slavish support for him & Putin from some on the right?

Seems if you support a load of fascist nutters you can do no wrong as far as the 'alt right' are concerned. Butchering your own people & murdering dissidents not a problem. The 'alt right' is a moral vacumn.

the chemical weapons accusations against Assad aren't that different to those used against saddam.

Just a ruse to justify intervention, regime change. Which will lead to the same chaos as Iraq and Libya. It's all crocodile tears. Otherwise where's the international drive to stop israels use of chemicals against the Palestinians.

It's all double standards and hollow bleating on the west'a part.

Saddam Hussien did use chemical weapons on his own people. When you say it was 'rouse' it sounds like you think he didn't.

You can criticise 'the wests' foreign policies & double standards whilst also realising that Putin is an authoritarian despot. In fact if you're going to criticise 'the west' it's a completely bizarre to then turn a blind eye to Putin's atrocities.

I recall him using them against the Kurds in the North of the Country, before the 1st gulf war.

As far as I'm aware there has never been a Kurdistan apart from the area named than in Iran.
Seems to me that are the ones wanting stuff that doesn't belong to them.

Fug1 wrote:

Ralph wrote:

The Tick wrote:

Ralph wrote:

m4 colin wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:Nobody is in love with Islam.

And I don't need education from you about Syria. Or for that matter, anything else.

Seeing as how its been conclusively proved so called moderate anti Assad forces are the ones who used the chemical weapons I think you do!

It's been conclusively proved that (Putin backed) Assad used chemical weapons. So why such slavish support for him & Putin from some on the right?

Seems if you support a load of fascist nutters you can do no wrong as far as the 'alt right' are concerned. Butchering your own people & murdering dissidents not a problem. The 'alt right' is a moral vacumn.

the chemical weapons accusations against Assad aren't that different to those used against saddam.

Just a ruse to justify intervention, regime change. Which will lead to the same chaos as Iraq and Libya. It's all crocodile tears. Otherwise where's the international drive to stop israels use of chemicals against the Palestinians.

It's all double standards and hollow bleating on the west'a part.

Saddam Hussien did use chemical weapons on his own people. When you say it was 'rouse' it sounds like you think he didn't.

You can criticise 'the wests' foreign policies & double standards whilst also realising that Putin is an authoritarian despot. In fact if you're going to criticise 'the west' it's a completely bizarre to then turn a blind eye to Putin's atrocities.

I recall him using them against the Kurds in the North of the Country, before the 1st gulf war.

As far as I'm aware there has never been a Kurdistan apart from the area named than in Iran.
Seems to me that are the ones wanting stuff that doesn't belong to them.

And the super gun into it as well.

The Tick wrote:

Ralph wrote:

m4 colin wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:Nobody is in love with Islam.

And I don't need education from you about Syria. Or for that matter, anything else.

Seeing as how its been conclusively proved so called moderate anti Assad forces are the ones who used the chemical weapons I think you do!

It's been conclusively proved that (Putin backed) Assad used chemical weapons. So why such slavish support for him & Putin from some on the right?

Seems if you support a load of fascist nutters you can do no wrong as far as the 'alt right' are concerned. Butchering your own people & murdering dissidents not a problem. The 'alt right' is a moral vacumn.

the chemical weapons accusations against Assad aren't that different to those used against saddam.

Just a ruse to justify intervention, regime change. Which will lead to the same chaos as Iraq and Libya. It's all crocodile tears. Otherwise where's the international drive to stop israels use of chemicals against the Palestinians.

It's all double standards and hollow bleating on the west'a part.

Not the same
1. Nobody disputed that Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds
2.In this case the UN documented a number of cases where it had been used .

m4 colin wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:Where on earth do you get these ideas?

Howabout here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22424188

http://gerarddirect.com/2013/05/06/un-a ... nt-forces/

http://rense.com/general96/syriafalse.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria ... 9Z20130505

So Reuters and your blessed BBC and others are not good enough sources for you ? your sticking to the avalanche of lies from the the like of Kerry and Clinton and that gang of murderers thieves and torturers at the UN ?
Shows you for what you are!

Hillman avenger wrote:

The Tick wrote:

Ralph wrote:

m4 colin wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:Nobody is in love with Islam.

And I don't need education from you about Syria. Or for that matter, anything else.

Seeing as how its been conclusively proved so called moderate anti Assad forces are the ones who used the chemical weapons I think you do!

It's been conclusively proved that (Putin backed) Assad used chemical weapons. So why such slavish support for him & Putin from some on the right?

Seems if you support a load of fascist nutters you can do no wrong as far as the 'alt right' are concerned. Butchering your own people & murdering dissidents not a problem. The 'alt right' is a moral vacumn.

the chemical weapons accusations against Assad aren't that different to those used against saddam.

Just a ruse to justify intervention, regime change. Which will lead to the same chaos as Iraq and Libya. It's all crocodile tears. Otherwise where's the international drive to stop israels use of chemicals against the Palestinians.

It's all double standards and hollow bleating on the west'a part.

Not the same
1. Nobody disputed that Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds
2.In this case the UN documented a number of cases where it had been used .

You don't believe stuff the U.N. says do yer?

If everybody just kept out of other people's business we would all be better off.

Hillman avenger wrote:

The Tick wrote:

Ralph wrote:

m4 colin wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:Nobody is in love with Islam.

And I don't need education from you about Syria. Or for that matter, anything else.

Seeing as how its been conclusively proved so called moderate anti Assad forces are the ones who used the chemical weapons I think you do!

It's been conclusively proved that (Putin backed) Assad used chemical weapons. So why such slavish support for him & Putin from some on the right?

Seems if you support a load of fascist nutters you can do no wrong as far as the 'alt right' are concerned. Butchering your own people & murdering dissidents not a problem. The 'alt right' is a moral vacumn.

the chemical weapons accusations against Assad aren't that different to those used against saddam.

Just a ruse to justify intervention, regime change. Which will lead to the same chaos as Iraq and Libya. It's all crocodile tears. Otherwise where's the international drive to stop israels use of chemicals against the Palestinians.

It's all double standards and hollow bleating on the west'a part.

Not the same
1. Nobody disputed that Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds
2.In this case the UN documented a number of cases where it had been used .

The happiest day of your live was when Idi Amin offered bananas to this country.

Fug1 wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:

The Tick wrote:

Ralph wrote:

m4 colin wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:Nobody is in love with Islam.

And I don't need education from you about Syria. Or for that matter, anything else.

Seeing as how its been conclusively proved so called moderate anti Assad forces are the ones who used the chemical weapons I think you do!

It's been conclusively proved that (Putin backed) Assad used chemical weapons. So why such slavish support for him & Putin from some on the right?

Seems if you support a load of fascist nutters you can do no wrong as far as the 'alt right' are concerned. Butchering your own people & murdering dissidents not a problem. The 'alt right' is a moral vacumn.

the chemical weapons accusations against Assad aren't that different to those used against saddam.

Just a ruse to justify intervention, regime change. Which will lead to the same chaos as Iraq and Libya. It's all crocodile tears. Otherwise where's the international drive to stop israels use of chemicals against the Palestinians.

It's all double standards and hollow bleating on the west'a part.

Not the same
1. Nobody disputed that Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds
2.In this case the UN documented a number of cases where it had been used .

You don't believe stuff the U.N. says do yer?

.

Of course he does, he's a Globalist and if he gets what he wants he will be among the first against the wall

Hillman avenger wrote:

The Tick wrote:

Ralph wrote:

m4 colin wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:Nobody is in love with Islam.

And I don't need education from you about Syria. Or for that matter, anything else.

Seeing as how its been conclusively proved so called moderate anti Assad forces are the ones who used the chemical weapons I think you do!

It's been conclusively proved that (Putin backed) Assad used chemical weapons. So why such slavish support for him & Putin from some on the right?

Seems if you support a load of fascist nutters you can do no wrong as far as the 'alt right' are concerned. Butchering your own people & murdering dissidents not a problem. The 'alt right' is a moral vacumn.

the chemical weapons accusations against Assad aren't that different to those used against saddam.

Just a ruse to justify intervention, regime change. Which will lead to the same chaos as Iraq and Libya. It's all crocodile tears. Otherwise where's the international drive to stop israels use of chemicals against the Palestinians.

It's all double standards and hollow bleating on the west'a part.

Not the same
1. Nobody disputed that Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds
2.In this case the UN documented a number of cases where it had been used .

It is the same. Prior to the 2003 Iraq war, Saddam was accsed of stockpiling chemical weapons, even though none were uncovered by invading forces in the following years. The accusations against Assad are in the same vein. A cynical attempt to rally support against a government that doesn't pander to our interests. Al through deceit and subterfuge.

The UN will do whatever the USA tells it to. There is no justification for overthrowing Assad in Syria any more than there is for attacking Israel for its own use of chemical weapons.

And before we go to town on Putin, maybe a word on the numerous bombing campaigns throughout Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan by the NATO led alliance? Including the bombing of MSF hospitals.

Or the use of chemical weapons in the 2003 Iraq War (irony of ironies) by the USA.

This isn't about the West's concern over human rights. It's about containing nations that won't submit to our demands. The double standards of it all is a big part of why there is no great public demand to stick it to Putin.

The Tick wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:

The Tick wrote:

Ralph wrote:

m4 colin wrote:

Hillman avenger wrote:Nobody is in love with Islam.

And I don't need education from you about Syria. Or for that matter, anything else.

Seeing as how its been conclusively proved so called moderate anti Assad forces are the ones who used the chemical weapons I think you do!

It's been conclusively proved that (Putin backed) Assad used chemical weapons. So why such slavish support for him & Putin from some on the right?

Seems if you support a load of fascist nutters you can do no wrong as far as the 'alt right' are concerned. Butchering your own people & murdering dissidents not a problem. The 'alt right' is a moral vacumn.

the chemical weapons accusations against Assad aren't that different to those used against saddam.

Just a ruse to justify intervention, regime change. Which will lead to the same chaos as Iraq and Libya. It's all crocodile tears. Otherwise where's the international drive to stop israels use of chemicals against the Palestinians.

It's all double standards and hollow bleating on the west'a part.

Not the same
1. Nobody disputed that Saddam used chemical weapons against the Kurds
2.In this case the UN documented a number of cases where it had been used .

It is the same. Prior to the 2003 Iraq war, Saddam was accsed of stockpiling chemical weapons, even though none were uncovered by invading forces in the following years. The accusations against Assad are in the same vein. A cynical attempt to rally support against a government that doesn't pander to our interests. Al through deceit and subterfuge.

The UN will do whatever the USA tells it to. There is no justification for overthrowing Assad in Syria any more than there is for attacking Israel for its own use of chemical weapons.

And before we go to town on Putin, maybe a word on the numerous bombing campaigns throughout Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan by the NATO led alliance? Including the bombing of MSF hospitals.

Or the use of chemical weapons in the 2003 Iraq War (irony of ironies) by the USA.

This isn't about the West's concern over human rights. It's about containing nations that won't submit to our demands. The double standards of it all is a big part of why there is no great public demand to stick it to Putin.

Well said Mr Tick!

Ralph wrote: Saddam Hussien did use chemical weapons on his own people. When you say it was 'ruse' it sounds like you think he didn't.

You can criticise 'the wests' foreign policies & double standards whilst also realising that Putin is an authoritarian despot. In fact if you're going to criticise 'the west' it's a completely bizarre to then turn a blind eye to Putin's atrocities.

War is a dirty business, whoever fights it. It's a bit pointless to hold one particular side against one standard while absolving another side altogether.

What Putin has done is move Syria closer to stability, and away from a terrorist led insurgency. Which should eventually end the war, and prevent Syria turning into another Iraq or Libya. Our obsession with regime change has stopped us learning the valuable lessons of the Iraq and Libya disasters.

When the West conducts wars there are violations of human rights. Same goes for Russia, China, Israel and others.

The only reasonable conclusion to this war is the maintenance of the Assad government and the dissolution of the terrorist groups trying to destabilise his country. Putin is preventing Syria from falling into a Libya-type abyss.

Quite a good post there Tick but you're still a cunt

Not bad Tick and quite possibly true...... The other possibility is that their were plenty of chemical weapons in Iraq and every drum of it could be traced back to Bush /Cheney/ Rumsfeld companies so it was quietly removed and disposed of by one or other of the huge mercenary armies at work in Iraq. and embedded media
in US/ British regular forces were kept well away from it. Ive no evidence to support this theory its Just hearsay

Man sentenced to 3 years in penal colony for insulting Putin. Remaining leader of Russia when you've run the economy into the ground is a dirty business.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... ce=copyurl

The Tick wrote:

Ralph wrote: Saddam Hussien did use chemical weapons on his own people. When you say it was 'ruse' it sounds like you think he didn't.

You can criticise 'the wests' foreign policies & double standards whilst also realising that Putin is an authoritarian despot. In fact if you're going to criticise 'the west' it's a completely bizarre to then turn a blind eye to Putin's atrocities.

War is a dirty business, whoever fights it. It's a bit pointless to hold one particular side against one standard while absolving another side altogether.

What Putin has done is move Syria closer to stability, and away from a terrorist led insurgency. Which should eventually end the war, and prevent Syria turning into another Iraq or Libya. Our obsession with regime change has stopped us learning the valuable lessons of the Iraq and Libya disasters.

When the West conducts wars there are violations of human rights. Same goes for Russia, China, Israel and others.

The only reasonable conclusion to this war is the maintenance of the Assad government and the dissolution of the terrorist groups trying to destabilise his country. Putin is preventing Syria from falling into a Libya-type abyss.

That's not really good enough is it. You wouldn't accept that line in defence of a western foreign intervention so why because it's Putin?

It's about consistent standards. Who are we to condemn others for doing what we do?

It is good enough. Wars are not fought with gentlemanly handshakes.

In an ideal world, no side would fight wars let alone commit war crimes. This is not an ideal world. And there are wars that are necessary and those that are not. History has good examples of both.

The war waged by the west to destabilise Syria (just like Iraq and Libya) is countered by the war waged by Russia to clear up the mess created by the former.

The Tick wrote:It's about consistent standards. Who are we to condemn others for doing what we do?

It is good enough. Wars are not fought with gentlemanly handshakes.

In an ideal world, no side would fight wars let alone commit war crimes. This is not an ideal world. And there are wars that are necessary and those that are not. History has good examples of both.

The war waged by the west to destabilise Syria (just like Iraq and Libya) is countered by the war waged by Russia to clear up the mess created by the former.

You've been a constant critic of the wests foreign interventions & I've found myself (mostly) agreeing with you. Which is why I find your unwillingness to see any fault where Russia/Putin is concerned slightly odd.

There doesn't seem to be nuance at all. Western interventions are illegal & led by war criminals for sinister reasons. Russia's interventions are for the greater good & bad stuff happens during war, so don't worry too much about the odd war crime.

putin is an angel of peace

who funds isis?

putin?

No one is saying Putin is free of guilt. Only that the harshest voices of condemnation come from those who are in no moral position to do so.

I agree with Putin's actions because of realism, not ideology or a belief that there is a perfect solution to everything.

paolo wrote:putin is an angel of peace

who funds isis?

putin?

And nobody in Russia dares say different.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/list-of-p ... ing-2016-3

The Tick wrote:No one is saying Putin is free of guilt. Only that the harshest voices of condemnation come from those who are in no moral position to do so.

I agree with Putin's actions because of realism, not ideology or a belief that there is a perfect solution to everything.

You've previously condemned the Kurds and claimed you were against all violence but now agree with Putin's actions. Shocking hypocrisy.

Kowalski wrote:

The Tick wrote:No one is saying Putin is free of guilt. Only that the harshest voices of condemnation come from those who are in no moral position to do so.

I agree with Putin's actions because of realism, not ideology or a belief that there is a perfect solution to everything.

You've previously condemned the Kurds and claimed you were against all violence but now agree with Putin's actions. Shocking hypocrisy.

Putin is blitzing the foriegn terrorists sent by US/UK/FRANCE/SAUDI/TURKEY to destroy a secular and stable Syria

You claim to be against islamic fanatasicm and violence yet your post suggests otherwise

Shocking hypocrisy!

Ralph wrote:Man sentenced to 3 years in penal colony for insulting Putin. Remaining leader of Russia when you've run the economy into the ground is a dirty business.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... ce=copyurl

Stop whinging!

Putin smashed up your jihadi terrorists