Obama in the Bunker

[Hillman avenger]

How desperate the climate change deniers have become.
Virtually every day produces evidence of climate changes and its consequences in extreme and shifted weather patterns.
The claim that it is a device to raise taxes has long ago been debinked. If governments wanted to raise more money they would shut up about the topic and harvest more and more income from the profligate users of energy, like the idiots driving ugly primitive vehicles because they think it makes them look more butch. Instead they use the taxation system to discourage that.
Nonsense.

[paolo]

How desperate the climate change deniers have become.
Virtually every day produces evidence of climate changes and its consequences in extreme and shifted weather patterns.
The claim that it is a device to raise taxes has long ago been debinked. If governments wanted to raise more money they would shut up about the topic and harvest more and more income from the profligate users of energy, like the idiots driving ugly primitive vehicles because they think it makes them look more butch. Instead they use the taxation system to discourage that.
Nonsense.

Daft old bugger

[Roy Twing]

As I'm fed up of saying, - even if climate change is exacerbated by human activity, it is an exercise in futility and stupidity for us to be making any efforts as long as the 'developing world' increases its carbon emissions at the current rate.

[Zambo]

Denying that the climate is changing is about as stupid as thinking that mankind can do much about it. It's clear, backed up by historic records, that the climate goes through changes and cycles irrespective of the amount of CO2 gases.Furthermore even if the main cause of climate change was down to us, we still couldn't do anything about it now. A bit like trying to recover from uncontrolled immigration. Too late.

[AlcoholBrazil]

Don't go upsetting Hillman's friends again , Roy.

[Ralph]

T
Hope everyone had a nice Christmas.
Barrack Hussein Obama , who has " Holidays" rather than Christmas, has been working hard with his team of demonic gnomes to do as much damage as possible in the last few weeks of his wretched term of office.
His ugly wife has been helping, appearing on Oprah to tell the nation that all hope is ended by the departure of their strange family and the democrats from power.
Meantime, history's most ineffective president has been at it again with his pen and his telephone vainly trying to prevent future oil and coal production, protect the climate change myth and rush as many illegal immigrants, cartel members and jihadists into the country before he's physically removed from the White House in a few weeks.
It's really quite pathetic , isn't it ? This week has been the worst , starting off with his " I could have been a contender" drivel about how he'd have beaten Donald Trump if he'd been running, then culminating in his infamous open attack upon Israel.
At least we can now see his real agenda quite clearly. Fortunately his gradual stealthy advancement of Islam and globalism at the expense of everything good and wholesome in the world has been abruptly halted by the electorate, and the shock to his ego and ill founded faith in the wrong side has caused the mask to slip right off.
He couldn't have saved his evil agenda whatever he did, but he could have saved his dignity and left office in a seemly way . It seems that all tyrants and liars behave in the same way when they're eventually caught out though , and his final desperate snarling spite attack will be what is remembered about him by history, unlike his horrible destructive policies which, having been cheated past the law by means of endless Executive Orders, will be immediately scattered to the winds in the same manner.

Can he achieve anything at all with these last minute negative tantrums, and what will be his historic legacy ?

Here we go again.... "climate change myth"

As soon as you say something like this, it's very hard to take anything else you say seriously at all

It's not a myth it's a fact

Still buying that old shit then? keep on doing what you are now just pay loads of carbon taxes eh ? Ya mug ya!

The people who know what they're talking about say it's real. The fossil fuel industry for obvious reasons spends an absolute fortune trying to muddy the water. The same tactics were used by the tobacco industry to try & pretend the evidence that smoking causes cancer etc wasn't as clear as it was. They didn't care how many people died as a result of their misinformation campaign.

[Ralph]

That was probably him not wanting WWIII

I think there might be some middle ground between being a Putin avatar in the White House & wanting to start WW3.

Even if it were true (which it isnt)
I'll take that over the Saudi avatar we just had eight years of.

Strange that you'll believe any old conspiracy based bollocks about Clinton & Obama but won't believe evidence that's starring you in the face about Comrade Trumpski.

[Hillman avenger]

Such is their world.
They don't like reality so invent stuff ( or have it invented for them) to replace it.
Have you seen the US footage where an interviewer was doing vox pops asking people what they thought of Obama's role in 9/11?
One guy said he had questions to answer about why he wasn't in the White House..what with it happening more than 6 years before he was President.

[m4rkb]

It's amazing how certain industries can be just created out of thin air, and the climate change industry is one. As a small but relevant example, in the UK they did it with the training industry where no one seems to be qualified to tie their own show laces without going on a course. It spurned costs, lecturers jobs , training councils offical bodies , the whole lot. In the old days you learned all this on the job with a decent employer.

There's certainly a large degree of this in my view over climate as the world has been well capable of absorbing and dealing with more CO2 in the centuries before fossil fuels were ever used. The taxes are what they wanted from all of this and nothing more.

[Roy Twing]

Don't go upsetting Hillman's friends again , Roy.

Upsetting anyone with the same mindset as hillman means we are doing something right.
I look forward to the day when they are utterly inconsolable.

[Hillman avenger]

It's amazing how certain industries can be just created out of thin air, and the climate change industry is one. As a small but relevant example, in the UK they did it with the training industry where no one seems to be qualified to tie their own show laces without going on a course. It spurned costs, lecturers jobs , training councils offical bodies , the whole lot. In the old days you learned all this on the job with a decent employer.

There's certainly a large degree of this in my view over climate as the world has been well capable of absorbing and dealing with more CO2 in the centuries before fossil fuels were ever used. The taxes are what they wanted from all of this and nothing more.

You uttterly fail to understand.

The claim that climate change yields volume tax revenues simply is not true. And defies logic.A truly cunning politician would do nothing of the kind.

As for your other points...bollocks. Have a look at how deaths and serious injuries at work have fallen over the last twenty years. Try telling us that this is merely coincidence.

[paolo]

It's amazing how certain industries can be just created out of thin air, and the climate change industry is one. As a small but relevant example, in the UK they did it with the training industry where no one seems to be qualified to tie their own show laces without going on a course. It spurned costs, lecturers jobs , training councils offical bodies , the whole lot. In the old days you learned all this on the job with a decent employer.

There's certainly a large degree of this in my view over climate as the world has been well capable of absorbing and dealing with more CO2 in the centuries before fossil fuels were ever used. The taxes are what they wanted from all of this and nothing more.

You uttterly fail to understand.

The claim that climate change yields volume tax revenues simply is not true. And defies logic.A truly cunning politician would do nothing of the kind.

As for your other points...bollocks. Have a look at how deaths and serious injuries at work have fallen over the last twenty years. Try telling us that this is merely coincidence.

Wow

Amazing take on the al gore robbery
Take another swig hic hic

[AlcoholBrazil]

Wow. didn't know how many lives those useless hologrammatic government quangoes have saved. Thank You Mr. Blair for all that filler.

[Roy Twing]

You uttterly fail to understand.

The claim that climate change yields volume tax revenues simply is not true. And defies logic.A truly cunning politician would do nothing of the kind.

As for your other points...bollocks. Have a look at how deaths and serious injuries at work have fallen over the last twenty years. Try telling us that this is merely coincidence.

Just when we thought he couldn't get any dafter, hillman rises to the challenge.

[paolo]

the kenyan is doing his damndest to destroy before he goes

these folks have no soul

[Hillman avenger]

It's amazing how certain industries can be just created out of thin air, and the climate change industry is one. As a small but relevant example, in the UK they did it with the training industry where no one seems to be qualified to tie their own show laces without going on a course. It spurned costs, lecturers jobs , training councils offical bodies , the whole lot. In the old days you learned all this on the job with a decent employer.

There's certainly a large degree of this in my view over climate as the world has been well capable of absorbing and dealing with more CO2 in the centuries before fossil fuels were ever used. The taxes are what they wanted from all of this and nothing more.

You uttterly fail to understand.

The claim that climate change yields volume tax revenues simply is not true. And defies logic.A truly cunning politician would do nothing of the kind.

As for your other points...bollocks. Have a look at how deaths and serious injuries at work have fallen over the last twenty years. Try telling us that this is merely coincidence.

Wow

Amazing take on the al gore robbery
Take another swig hic hic

Pathetic.
Once again you have it wrong.
Climate change was well substantiated long before Gore. He simply used his position to get attention for it.

[Hillman avenger]

You uttterly fail to understand.

The claim that climate change yields volume tax revenues simply is not true. And defies logic.A truly cunning politician would do nothing of the kind.

As for your other points...bollocks. Have a look at how deaths and serious injuries at work have fallen over the last twenty years. Try telling us that this is merely coincidence.

Just when we thought he couldn't get any dafter, hillman rises to the challenge.

Show us where any government has gained from climate change taxation. That's net- the gain left after paying for alternative energy initiatives.

For example the higher tax on gas-guzzlers is balanced by the reduction in tax , or even exemption, for less polluting cars.

And for all m4krb's endless rants, it is true that health and safety legislation ( even though there are some tossers promotong it) has made a remarkable difference for the good.

Fatal accidents at work down 86% since the Act. But still 140 last year.

[KevinKeegan77]

Where were these people in the 1800s when London was blanketed in smog ?
Too busy skating around bonfires on the frozen Thames or heading for Heathrow to board Wright Brothers Airlines.

[paolo]

It's amazing how certain industries can be just created out of thin air, and the climate change industry is one. As a small but relevant example, in the UK they did it with the training industry where no one seems to be qualified to tie their own show laces without going on a course. It spurned costs, lecturers jobs , training councils offical bodies , the whole lot. In the old days you learned all this on the job with a decent employer.

There's certainly a large degree of this in my view over climate as the world has been well capable of absorbing and dealing with more CO2 in the centuries before fossil fuels were ever used. The taxes are what they wanted from all of this and nothing more.

You uttterly fail to understand.

The claim that climate change yields volume tax revenues simply is not true. And defies logic.A truly cunning politician would do nothing of the kind.

As for your other points...bollocks. Have a look at how deaths and serious injuries at work have fallen over the last twenty years. Try telling us that this is merely coincidence.

Wow

Amazing take on the al gore robbery
Take another swig hic hic

Pathetic.
Once again you have it wrong.
Climate change was well substantiated long before Gore. He simply used his position to get attention for it.

puppet on a string

bwahahahahahaa

[paolo]

Where were these people in the 1800s when London was blanketed in smog ?
Too busy skating around bonfires on the frozen Thames or heading for Heathrow to board Wright Brothers Airlines.

hillman, do some more top class detective work please

[Zambo]

Where were these people in the 1800s when London was blanketed in smog ?
Too busy skating around bonfires on the frozen Thames or heading for Heathrow to board Wright Brothers Airlines.

hillman, do some more top class detective work please

He'll need another 100 posts.

[m4rkb]

It's amazing how certain industries can be just created out of thin air, and the climate change industry is one. As a small but relevant example, in the UK they did it with the training industry where no one seems to be qualified to tie their own show laces without going on a course. It spurned costs, lecturers jobs , training councils offical bodies , the whole lot. In the old days you learned all this on the job with a decent employer.

There's certainly a large degree of this in my view over climate as the world has been well capable of absorbing and dealing with more CO2 in the centuries before fossil fuels were ever used. The taxes are what they wanted from all of this and nothing more.

You uttterly fail to understand.

The claim that climate change yields volume tax revenues simply is not true. And defies logic.A truly cunning politician would do nothing of the kind.

As for your other points...bollocks. Have a look at how deaths and serious injuries at work have fallen over the last twenty years. Try telling us that this is merely coincidence.

I wasn't necessarily referring to H&S legislation I was referring to the avalanche of stupidity where no one is allowed to do multiply jobs well these days and needs to be trained for endless different ones as well as countless refresher courses. As an affiliate to the building industry being taught how to lean a ladder against a wall being one case in point. You can of course go on a ladder course for around hundred and fifty quid. In the old days common sense took care of this but since Blair's training and education revolution you now need to go to college to study it. As I say, I'm waiting for the day they introduce a certificate for tying your boot laces just in case they come undone and someone falls over.

Chips in windscreens now have you believe the driver is almost blind unless he gets it repaired. What a load of bollocks which has all been dreamed up to artificially boost turnover of windscreens and the Vat on them. Royals mentioned a couple of months back the cost of building a house due to ridiculous rules and regulations. He was right.

The climate industry is exactly that - a manufactured industry. That said, I have no objection to a clean environment but your solar panels and home wind turbines are more useful offsetting the cost of profit driven energy companies.

[Hillman avenger]

It's amazing how certain industries can be just created out of thin air, and the climate change industry is one. As a small but relevant example, in the UK they did it with the training industry where no one seems to be qualified to tie their own show laces without going on a course. It spurned costs, lecturers jobs , training councils offical bodies , the whole lot. In the old days you learned all this on the job with a decent employer.

There's certainly a large degree of this in my view over climate as the world has been well capable of absorbing and dealing with more CO2 in the centuries before fossil fuels were ever used. The taxes are what they wanted from all of this and nothing more.

You uttterly fail to understand.

The claim that climate change yields volume tax revenues simply is not true. And defies logic.A truly cunning politician would do nothing of the kind.

As for your other points...bollocks. Have a look at how deaths and serious injuries at work have fallen over the last twenty years. Try telling us that this is merely coincidence.

I wasn't necessarily referring to H&S legislation I was referring to the avalanche of stupidity where no one is allowed to do multiply jobs well these days and needs to be trained for endless different ones as well as countless refresher courses. As an affiliate to the building industry being taught how to lean a ladder against a wall being one case in point. You can of course go on a ladder course for around hundred and fifty quid. In the old days common sense took care of this but since Blair's training and education revolution you now need to go to college to study it. As I say, I'm waiting for the day they introduce a certificate for tying your boot laces just in case they come undone and someone falls over.

No doubt there are people in the "HS" industry who make a meal of it, just as there are in the diversity field you bang on about so much. Nothing to do with Blair- the act was passed in the 70s. Although there have been massive improvements in safety there are still horrendous cases that reveal managerial neglect or cynicism. "Common sense" wasn;t enough. If we had relied on common sense we would still have 40% plus of people in cars unbelted...God knows we waited 20 years to see if people would work it out for themselves.

Chips in windscreens now have you believe the driver is almost blind unless he gets it repaired.
No. It's because a small chip can lead to the whole screen shattering at speed, which is pretty horrendous.

What a load of bollocks which has all been dreamed up to artificially boost turnover of windscreens and the Vat on them. Royals mentioned a couple of months back the cost of building a house due to ridiculous rules and regulations. He was right.
No he wasn't.

The climate industry is exactly that - a manufactured industry. That said, I have no objection to a clean environment but your solar panels and home wind turbines are more useful offsetting the cost of profit driven energy companies.
Can you explain how that would work?

[Royal24s]

It's amazing how certain industries can be just created out of thin air, and the climate change industry is one. As a small but relevant example, in the UK they did it with the training industry where no one seems to be qualified to tie their own show laces without going on a course. It spurned costs, lecturers jobs , training councils offical bodies , the whole lot. In the old days you learned all this on the job with a decent employer.

There's certainly a large degree of this in my view over climate as the world has been well capable of absorbing and dealing with more CO2 in the centuries before fossil fuels were ever used. The taxes are what they wanted from all of this and nothing more.

You uttterly fail to understand.

The claim that climate change yields volume tax revenues simply is not true. And defies logic.A truly cunning politician would do nothing of the kind.

As for your other points...bollocks. Have a look at how deaths and serious injuries at work have fallen over the last twenty years. Try telling us that this is merely coincidence.

I wasn't necessarily referring to H&S legislation I was referring to the avalanche of stupidity where no one is allowed to do multiply jobs well these days and needs to be trained for endless different ones as well as countless refresher courses. As an affiliate to the building industry being taught how to lean a ladder against a wall being one case in point. You can of course go on a ladder course for around hundred and fifty quid. In the old days common sense took care of this but since Blair's training and education revolution you now need to go to college to study it. As I say, I'm waiting for the day they introduce a certificate for tying your boot laces just in case they come undone and someone falls over.

No doubt there are people in the "HS" industry who make a meal of it, just as there are in the diversity field you bang on about so much. Nothing to do with Blair- the act was passed in the 70s. Although there have been massive improvements in safety there are still horrendous cases that reveal managerial neglect or cynicism. "Common sense" wasn;t enough. If we had relied on common sense we would still have 40% plus of people in cars unbelted...God knows we waited 20 years to see if people would work it out for themselves.

Chips in windscreens now have you believe the driver is almost blind unless he gets it repaired.
No. It's because a small chip can lead to the whole screen shattering at speed, which is pretty horrendous.

What a load of bollocks which has all been dreamed up to artificially boost turnover of windscreens and the Vat on them. Royals mentioned a couple of months back the cost of building a house due to ridiculous rules and regulations. He was right.
No he wasn't.

The climate industry is exactly that - a manufactured industry. That said, I have no objection to a clean environment but your solar panels and home wind turbines are more useful offsetting the cost of profit driven energy companies.
Can you explain how that would work?

Hillman. Everyone's been trying to let you win after your pathetic post in which you practically threatened self harm if you didn't get your own way, but it's wearing thin now.
All this bollocks about people " utterly failing to understand" is so bloody rude.
Other than agreeing entirely with MK , what I said about building houses was completely correct. Tell me the figures which you dispute it on.

[m4rkb]

It's amazing how certain industries can be just created out of thin air, and the climate change industry is one. As a small but relevant example, in the UK they did it with the training industry where no one seems to be qualified to tie their own show laces without going on a course. It spurned costs, lecturers jobs , training councils offical bodies , the whole lot. In the old days you learned all this on the job with a decent employer.

There's certainly a large degree of this in my view over climate as the world has been well capable of absorbing and dealing with more CO2 in the centuries before fossil fuels were ever used. The taxes are what they wanted from all of this and nothing more.

You uttterly fail to understand.

The claim that climate change yields volume tax revenues simply is not true. And defies logic.A truly cunning politician would do nothing of the kind.

As for your other points...bollocks. Have a look at how deaths and serious injuries at work have fallen over the last twenty years. Try telling us that this is merely coincidence.

I wasn't necessarily referring to H&S legislation I was referring to the avalanche of stupidity where no one is allowed to do multiply jobs well these days and needs to be trained for endless different ones as well as countless refresher courses. As an affiliate to the building industry being taught how to lean a ladder against a wall being one case in point. You can of course go on a ladder course for around hundred and fifty quid. In the old days common sense took care of this but since Blair's training and education revolution you now need to go to college to study it. As I say, I'm waiting for the day they introduce a certificate for tying your boot laces just in case they come undone and someone falls over.

No doubt there are people in the "HS" industry who make a meal of it, just as there are in the diversity field you bang on about so much. Nothing to do with Blair- the act was passed in the 70s. Although there have been massive improvements in safety there are still horrendous cases that reveal managerial neglect or cynicism. "Common sense" wasn;t enough. If we had relied on common sense we would still have 40% plus of people in cars unbelted...God knows we waited 20 years to see if people would work it out for themselves.


Can you read? I said I wasn't necessarily referring to H&S but you launched back into it as though I said it was

Chips in windscreens now have you believe the driver is almost blind unless he gets it repaired.
No. It's because a small chip can lead to the whole screen shattering at speed, which is pretty horrendous.


I've had loads of cracks in windscreens and none of them have imploded. they're made of laminated glass anyway so that's be rules out. they may run and spider bit but nothing more. They claim you can't see if the chip is in your field of vision but that's just pure bollocks, you focus straight past it and don't even see the chip. Though at £500 a pop it did manage to sell an awful lot more windscreens unnecessarily.

What a load of bollocks which has all been dreamed up to artificially boost turnover of windscreens and the Vat on them. Royals mentioned a couple of months back the cost of building a house due to ridiculous rules and regulations. He was right.
No he wasn't.

I'm afraid he was , much to your disappointment

The climate industry is exactly that - a manufactured industry. That said, I have no objection to a clean environment but your solar panels and home wind turbines are more useful offsetting the cost of profit driven energy companies.
Can you explain how that would work?

Yes. The solar panels generate power you don't have to pay for through some foreign owned utilities company. They will do precisely fuck all for the environment while China erects two coal fired mega stations per week. Even if they built none I'd say the same.