Le Gavroche

[Reg]

Of course he has - he even had his picture taken by one of them fancy photographers...

[Steve Hunt]

Of course he has - he even had his picture taken by one of them fancy photographers...

Uncanny resemblance, Reg

[Zambo]

Top banz

[Steve Hunt]

Why dont you and Rupert just get married and open an antique shop in Hastings?

Keep up, man! They already have, Bas:

[birdie]

Right, back to topic, I have always thought that a 'service charge' is different from a 'gratuity' or 'tip' there is also the 'cover charge' which, to my mind, is a right rip off in itself. a service charge covers certain costs, a gratuity or tip is given to the waiter/ess in appreciation for good service.

A few years ago a court of law ruled that the waiting staff should be given a percentage of the service charge and, I think, ruled that where a service charge was in operation no tips should be given, customers often gave a tip as well as paying the service charge in the beleif that the serving staff kept all the tip which often wasn't the case.

For a well established and respected chef/patron to admit that he//the restaurant keep all of the service charge is disgraceful and hasn't done his personal reputation much good.
My late father-in-law owned 3 restuarants, a coffee shop and an ice cream parlour, his brother-in-law owned a restaurant just around the corner from the Palace of Westminster, his 3 cousins all own catering establishments and I can assure you that every penny the serving staff get in tips they keep, Oh, and no service charge either.

[The Ghost of Alex Higgins]

Times change. People like shortcuts.

[carcinogen]

Times change. People like shortcuts.

Morality has no shortcut.

[Reg]

Times change. People like shortcuts.

Morality has no shortcut.

Mortality does though, so watch yourself.

[birdie]

There is a response on their website to the accusations. No mention of them doing a weekday gutbuster breakfast though.

http://www.le-gavroche.co.uk/

Fuck 'em then!

Booooo, fuck off back to France, you snail eating, sheep burning, German fellating bastards!

British tips for British (& any other exploited nationalities) waiting staff!!!

Actually he was born un Kent so he doesn't have to back anywhere.

[Ralph]

There is a response on their website to the accusations. No mention of them doing a weekday gutbuster breakfast though.

http://www.le-gavroche.co.uk/

No 2 for 1 offers either. Obviously he's completely clueless. Not surprised he can't afford to pay his staff properly.

[Royal24s]

I had to google it. Seems like pretentious French crap to me. Another tv chef making money out of half portions and Chips arranged into a log cabin then topped with a daffodil or something.
Personally I prefer a good steak or a roast dinner, and before I'd pay that much money for a meal, I really would give it to a homeless person.

[Zambo]

I had to google it.

Fuck me, something that Royals didn't know

[subsub]

Another tv chef making money out of half portions and Chips arranged into a log cabin then topped with a daffodil or something

Oh dear…

[The Ghost of Alex Higgins]

Explain to me the pronunciation of Michelin

[birdie]

I had to google it. Seems like pretentious French crap to me. Another tv chefmaking money out of half portions and Chips arranged into a log cabin then topped with a daffodil or something.
Personally I prefer a good steak or a roast dinner, and before I'd pay that much money for a meal, I really would give it to a homeless person.

He was a successful restauranteur long before he became a tv chef.

[Zambo]

Personally I prefer a good steak or a roast dinner, and before I'd pay that much money for a meal, I really would give it to a homeless person.

Blame those that pay that sort of money to have their carrots stacked like an oil derrick and their sauces fanned onto their plates. It's all about taste to me, I don't give a stuff what it looks like. Can't blame the chefs though.

[birdie]

Personally I prefer a good steak or a roast dinner, and before I'd pay that much money for a meal, I really would give it to a homeless person.

Blame those that pay that sort of money to have their carrots stacked like an oil derrick and their sauces fanned onto their plates. It's all about taste to me, I don't give a stuff what it looks like. Can't blame the chefs though.

But they don't go there to nosh, do they? after all, the amount of food in 3 courses wouldn't satisfy a hungry 7 year old, no, they go there for the 'experience', to impress, to entertain business contancts, and to be seen, yes, what they get is good food, often something too time consuming or too compllicated to produce at home, in a Michelin atar place it's 'art on a plate', and that's what they pay for.

Bet they have a bacon butty when they get home.

[Gosport Mark]

And now I won't be able to go there again.

Why, Reg?

If it is on a matter of principle then I assume you walk around naked all the time? Because 99% of clothes are produced in third world sweatshops where not only are the employees paid a pittance, but they frequently work in extremely dangerous conditions.

I am a nudist actually.

But leaving that aside, no, I don't ethically shop etc, but I don't knowingly and deliberately seek out the shops that are the worst offenders.

Similarly I'm not going to go out of my way to choose a restaurant which I know is paying a pittance and stealing the tips of its staff, then rub their noses in it by sitting there while they serve me, in the full knowledge that I know this.

I hope this story encourages all their customers to do the same.

You assume that the majority of their customers give a fuck. I would suggest this may not be the case.


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[birdie]

And now I won't be able to go there again.

Why, Reg?

If it is on a matter of principle then I assume you walk around naked all the time? Because 99% of clothes are produced in third world sweatshops where not only are the employees paid a pittance, but they frequently work in extremely dangerous conditions.

I am a nudist actually.

But leaving that aside, no, I don't ethically shop etc, but I don't knowingly and deliberately seek out the shops that are the worst offenders.

Similarly I'm not going to go out of my way to choose a restaurant which I know is paying a pittance and stealing the tips of its staff, then rub their noses in it by sitting there while they serve me, in the full knowledge that I know this.

I hope this story encourages all their customers to do the same.

You assume that the majority of their customers give a fuck. I would suggest this may not be the case.


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I don't think customers in any form of retail give a stuff for staff conditions and pay, I've pulled pints in Masham, Hull and 4 places in London, I've also done 14 hours days in the family catering business, I've done 12 hour shifts at the Council and I've worked in accounts and dealt with guests in the hotel trade, at none of those have the customers/clents given a tinkers stuff for pay and conditions.

[Zambo]

Customers are interested in the quality of thee goods and services they receive for the money they have paid. Why should they care or have a responsibilty for anything else.. Some employers are scum, but you are not going to round up everyone for a boycott.

[birdie]

Customers are interested in the quality of thee goods and services they receive for the money they have paid. Why should they care or have a responsibilty for anything else.. Some employers are scum, but you are not going to round up everyone for a boycott.

Before the minimum wage came in it was reported that the Royal Household were notorious for being bad wage payers, and i seem to recall that hadn't changed much over the years in as much that they now pay the minimum wage and that is all they are obliged to do.

[Basualdo]

Customers are interested in the quality of thee goods and services they receive for the money they have paid. Why should they care or have a responsibilty for anything else.. Some employers are scum, but you are not going to round up everyone for a boycott.

Before the minimum wage came in it was reported that the Royal Household were notorious for being bad wage payers, and i seem to recall that hadn't changed much over the years in as much that they now pay the minimum wage and that is all they are obliged to do.

As Zambo stated, people go out to relax, have a nice meal or time or be entertained. If they wanted to be hectored about social injustice theyd stay home and watch Eastenders or Channel 4.
Honestly, they dont give a fuck about who pays what or to whom as long as it doesnt encroach on their enjoyment.
Its maybe not nice, but there it is.

[Ralph]

Customers are interested in the quality of thee goods and services they receive for the money they have paid. Why should they care or have a responsibilty for anything else.. Some employers are scum, but you are not going to round up everyone for a boycott.

Before the minimum wage came in it was reported that the Royal Household were notorious for being bad wage payers, and i seem to recall that hadn't changed much over the years in as much that they now pay the minimum wage and that is all they are obliged to do.

As Zambo stated, people go out to relax, have a nice meal or time or be entertained. If they wanted to be hectored about social injustice theyd stay home and watch Eastenders or Channel 4.
Honestly, they dont give a fuck about who pays what or to whom as long as it doesnt encroach on their enjoyment.
Its maybe not nice, but there it is.

Up to a point. Not sure I'd spend money in a business I knew wasn't paying their staff the minimum wage.

[Basualdo]

Customers are interested in the quality of thee goods and services they receive for the money they have paid. Why should they care or have a responsibilty for anything else.. Some employers are scum, but you are not going to round up everyone for a boycott.

Before the minimum wage came in it was reported that the Royal Household were notorious for being bad wage payers, and i seem to recall that hadn't changed much over the years in as much that they now pay the minimum wage and that is all they are obliged to do.

As Zambo stated, people go out to relax, have a nice meal or time or be entertained. If they wanted to be hectored about social injustice theyd stay home and watch Eastenders or Channel 4.
Honestly, they dont give a fuck about who pays what or to whom as long as it doesnt encroach on their enjoyment.
Its maybe not nice, but there it is.

Up to a point. Not sure I'd spend money in a business I knew wasn't paying their staff the minimum wage.

Which is the decent thing to do, but I'm pretty sure it doesnt come into the thinking of 99% of the other customers.

[Ralph]

Customers are interested in the quality of thee goods and services they receive for the money they have paid. Why should they care or have a responsibilty for anything else.. Some employers are scum, but you are not going to round up everyone for a boycott.

Before the minimum wage came in it was reported that the Royal Household were notorious for being bad wage payers, and i seem to recall that hadn't changed much over the years in as much that they now pay the minimum wage and that is all they are obliged to do.

As Zambo stated, people go out to relax, have a nice meal or time or be entertained. If they wanted to be hectored about social injustice theyd stay home and watch Eastenders or Channel 4.
Honestly, they dont give a fuck about who pays what or to whom as long as it doesnt encroach on their enjoyment.
Its maybe not nice, but there it is.

Up to a point. Not sure I'd spend money in a business I knew wasn't paying their staff the minimum wage.

Which is the decent thing to do, but I'm pretty sure it doesnt come into the thinking of 99% of the other customers.

It's never come into my thinking TBH. If I read in the news that a business was treating its staff appallingly or ripping them off - I think I'd spend my money elsewhere. At least until they'd issued a groveling apology & promised to put the situation right.