RIP Fidel - good guy or bad guy

[Zambo]

Livingstone was a big fan. Did Castro give Holocaust Ken tips on how to solve London's traffic problems in the past ?

How predictable that a cunt like Livingstone supports a tyrant and a communist dictator who slsughtered his own people and caused thousands to flee into exile. Anyone sobbing about his passing should have a word with them. They will tell you what it was like to try and survive in Cuba during their time there.

Simon Heffer has penned a decent piece on it.

[The Tick]

Castro was never a terrorist. It's a label used by the bitter ones who never got to see him torn down by his enemies.

Laughable. it's got nothing to do with bitterness or resentment, it's just people posting opinions on an internet forum. I couldn't give a shit if you want to fawn and worship the likes of Castro. Go and light a candle in your window box for all I care, but the attitude is just another example of the deluded left.

The internet is bulging with the likes of the following. This is just 8 years of his involvement in terrorism. Deny it all you want, it's not going to go away.

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/ter ... m-pons.htm

You've no grounds on which to label him a terrorist, which is now the go-to epithet for those who wish to demonise someone instantly.

He has never been recognised as a terrorist, and your all too simplistic use of the word doesn't change that.

[Zambo]

So he didn't preside over executions and human rights abuses? He had no tolerance for anyone who thought differently. They had to knuckle down or leave the country. It was a disgrace that he never came before a court. Even hisdaughter and sister fled from the tyrant.

How anyone can mourn the death of this cunt is perplexing. I hope he has already started to decompose in hell.

[Roger 1984]

So he didn't preside over executions and human rights abuses? He had no tolerance for anyone who thought differently. They had to knuckle down or leave the country. It was a disgrace that he never came before a court. Even hisdaughter and sister fled from the tyrant.

How anyone can mourn the death of this cunt is perplexing. I hope he has already started to decompose in hell.

Executions of terrorists is no human rights abuse. He had no tolerance for those terrorists wanting to enslave and destroy Cuba

He is a cunt because he stood up to the terrorists and successfully defended his country against them.

As for your comment hoping Fidel decomposes in hell is an utter disgrace

[The Tick]

So he didn't preside over executions and human rights abuses? He had no tolerance for anyone who thought differently. They had to knuckle down or leave the country. It was a disgrace that he never came before a court. Even hisdaughter and sister fled from the tyrant.

How anyone can mourn the death of this cunt is perplexing. I hope he has already started to decompose in hell.

Unfortunately Thatcher and her old friend with benefits Pinochet have taken up all the remaining room down there.

Castro fought the good fight against the swarms of US backed bandits and passed away on his own terms. A vindication if ever there was one.

[Zambo]

There's plenty of room down there Tick, and Castro has no doubt had a special place reserved. btw I suppose all those poor saps exiled in Miami for example are the bandits you are talking about for daring to flee his tyrany.

Incidentally, what's your take on Castro's gay and lesbian rights record?

[Roger 1984]

There's plenty of room down there Tick, and Castro has no doubt had a special place reserved. btw I suppose all those poor saps exiled in Miami for example are the bandits you are talking about for daring to flee his tyrany.

Incidentally, what's your take on Castro's gay and lesbian rights record?

Cuba was nothing more than a casino, a bordello before the Cuban Revolution led by Fidel Castro. The director of Cuba Solidarity Campaign, Rob Miller said: " it is “sad” but “understandable” why people were celebrating in the streets of Miami, and that the sentiment will soon change.

“In Miami we have one million Cubans who exiled themselves from eleven million Cubans who remained on the island. And primarily their motivation is one of reclaiming their wealth, their privilege, their plantations, their factories, their very large houses, they all enjoyed before the Revolution [in] 1959.

“I think you’ll see a period of this … celebration, but I think there will be a realization that life has to move in [the] direction of a normal, sensible relationship with the 11 million Cubans who inhabit the island just 70 miles away across the Florida straits,” he added.

[Zambo]

What you seem not to realise, is that a lot of people who have more than others, have worked thir balls off to get it whilst others sit on their arses and whine about it. The left and socialism is the scourge of the world. Production by abilty and distribution based on need is the death knoll of civilisation.

[Roger 1984]

What you seem not to realise, is that a lot of people who have more than others, have worked thir balls off to get it whilst others sit on their arses and whine about it. The left and socialism is the scourge of the world. Production by abilty anx distribution based on need is the death knoll of civilisation.

Socialism ain't the issue.

[The Tick]

There's plenty of room down there Tick, and Castro has no doubt had a special place reserved. btw I suppose all those poor saps exiled in Miami for example are the bandits you are talking about for daring to flee his tyrany.

Incidentally, what's your take on Castro's gay and lesbian rights record?

The ruling class of Cuba who initially fled in 1959/60 dominate the Miami scene, along with the criminals who fled in order to pursue their violent and greedy aims.

And the crippling American sanctions which have meant untold misery for Cuba's people can not be ignored in all this.

[Zambo]

What you seem not to realise, is that a lot of people who have more than others, have worked thir balls off to get it whilst others sit on their arses and whine about it. The left and socialism is the scourge of the world. Production by abilty anx distribution based on need is the death knoll of civilisation.

Socialism ain't the issue.

You brought it into the discussion. People have a right to be pissed off if they have their hard earned purchases taken off them.I'd futhermore say that socialism is a big part of the issue. It gives responsible people the shits.

[Roger 1984]

What you seem not to realise, is that a lot of people who have more than others, have worked thir balls off to get it whilst others sit on their arses and whine about it. The left and socialism is the scourge of the world. Production by abilty anx distribution based on need is the death knoll of civilisation.

Socialism ain't the issue.

You brought it into the discussion. People have a right to be pissed off if they have their hard earned purchases taken off them.I'd futhermore say that socialism is a big part of the issue. It gives responsible people the shits.

Bordellos and Casinos are hard-earned purchases especially in the Batista era?

[The Tick]

When Zambo refers to people having their cash taken of them by Castro, he refers to the corrupt ruling class of Cuba, as well as the American mafia and corrupt businessmen/politicians who invested there to make it their debauched fiefdom.

[Roger 1984]

When Zambo referes to people having their cash taken of them by Castro, he refers to the corrupt ruling class of Cuba, as well as the American mafia and corrupt businessmen/politicians who invested there to make it their debauched fiefdom.

He does comes across as someone that gets all their news from The Sun

[m4 colin]

A Bastard .....But he had style......

I'll review that........... a very very bad dude indeed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EhlTI0fte0

[Zambo]

What is a bit confusing in all this is people who are usually opposed to the shit Castro was doing are supporting and championing him now he's dead. In fact it's bizarre.

[Roger 1984]

What is a bit confusing in all this is people who are usually opposed to the shit Castro was doing are supporting and championing him now he's dead. In fact it's bizarre.

Ive always respected Castro.

[Royal24s]

If we must go there when the man has just died, the truth is that Castro was a monster.
He killed and tortured many people including competitors and peasants who crossed him, as well as executing homosexuals .
I think Roger must have been taking George Galloway too seriously on this, or possibly been on one of these closely monitored tourist trips.
Conditions there are dreadful and people are terrified of the Castro family and it's goons. There are two hospitals for showing visiting politicians, and the rest of the poor bastards can't get an aspirin. It might interest you to learn that despite theatrics to the contrary , it's far more racist against black people than South Africa ever was.
The people still trapped in Cuba are just as anti Castro as those who've escaped his tyrrany, but they would not dare say so because they live in a constant state of fear as well as dreadful poverty.

[Zambo]

Well said.

[paolo]

There can be no excuse for terrorism. There is no negotiation. There is no excuse for aggression or attack.There can be no excuse for violence and intimidation. There can only be support for defence or attack in retalliation.

Well then Castro needs to be supported for defending against US imperialism and wiping out the empire's mercenaries

You are not listening Rog. Castro was a terrorist, so he should not be supported. Are you supporting him unconditionally, and either ignoring his terrorist activities or are you supporting all those as well?

usa carried out terrorist attacks in cuba

historically, usa have been the most prolific terrorists ever

[paolo]

apart from the state sponsored terrorist invasion of cuba

[Zambo]

I'm not disputing any terrorist activity by a state or anyone else, but the position that Castro only used force for defence with the evidence out there is ridiculous. He used violence and intimidation in the pursuit of his political aims, that cannot be disputed surely. He was a bloodthirsty murderous criminal. He used firing squad executions to enforce discipline, punish followers deemed disloyal or intimidate potential opposition.

Sorry, but I can't get my head round why someone like that is deemed a hero, irrespective of what he might have done to help his country and his people. Tyranic dictators like him, Hussein, Assad, Gadaffi, Mugabe, Kim-Jong should have/have had nowhere to hide on this planet.

[paolo]

gadaffi was one of the most benevolent leaders ever

[paolo]

I'm not disputing any terrorist activity by a state or anyone else, but the position that Castro only used force for defence with the evidence out there is ridiculous. He used violence and intimidation in the pursuit of his political aims, that cannot be disputed surely. He was a bloodthirsty murderous criminal. He used firing squad executions to enforce discipline, punish followers deemed disloyal or intimidate potential opposition.

Sorry, but I can't get my head round why someone like that is deemed a hero, irrespective of what he might have done to help his country and his people. Tyranic dictators like him, Hussein, Assad, Gadaffi, Mugabe, Kim-Jongshould have/have had nowhere to hide on this planet.

all of these have been subject to american tyranny

[Zambo]

gadaffi was one of the most benevolent leaders ever

I don't think the Pan Am families would agree. He was rampant in the 80's, he was probably the biggest sponsor of terrorism in the world. He tried to camouflage his links when he pretended to offer assistance for the fight against Al Qaeda, and I don't care what good these people are supposed to have done, anyone who uses terrorism or supports it needs wiping out, and than fuck he was.