Why the Left are a Danger to us All

[Zambo]

These cunts should have never have been transferred to a minimum security prison, but obviously some do gooding sap has deemed that it was safe to do so.

Perhaps the person or committee who were responsible for the decision, would like to give us their reasons despite the following two sentences, but don't hold your breath because they will no doubt crawl back into their holes as these people never seem accountable to anyone.

'Two convicted rapists and a man convicted of assault - all considered to be a "risk to the public" - have absconded from an open prison'.

'Leyhill is a prison for adult male prisoners from the South West area who are deemed "low risk"'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-37972178

This thread could end up being the longest on the forum if examples of why the left are the enemy of the people are placed here.

[Fug1]

Agree mate the system of punishing and rehabilitating from home, school, police to prison is a fuckin joke.

The do gooders system in glorious operation.

[m4rkb]

If you've ever met anyone from the probation / rehabilitation service you'll kno exactly what stock they are taken from. The ability to see the good in everyone and rays of hope that they can be rehabilitated. They certainly aren't chosen from groups of hardliners who want proper punishments metered out. Same with magistrates and the wider judiciary.

On the flip side of the coin anyone whose ever met or known any criminals will know how easily these types are played like a violin. In many cases they have no intention whatsoever of changing. None at all. Yet when they are asked if they are remorseful of their crimes amazingly they say they are. No results in a longer stay in prison . Yes a shorter one. Which one do you think they would chose.

They should make these parole boards personally responsible for any consequences their leniency inflicts on the public like a business owner who is held personally responsible for any health and safety injuries in his workplace.

[AlcoholBrazil]

My suggestion of huge Roman-style treadmills linked to power stations for prisoners didn't get a reply from the Home Office.
10,000 piece jigsaws and ludo games for recreation .

[Fug1]

The 1st thing I would do is try and sort out people who commit crimes because they are addicted to something by:-

1: large sentences for supplying and distributing drugs.
2: If a crime was committed and the defence was 'didnt know what they were doing due to addiction', then lock them up in a secure rehab centre. For how long? Until they are not substance dependent; could be 2 weeks could be 6 years. Then they can do the punishment for the crime they committed, then they can be rehabilitated, given skills and quals.

That is a one time offer.

I would look to take away or strip people of British citizenship, I mean even if your name is John Smith who's family could be traced back to King Alfred, EVERYBODY.

This would be done depending on the severity of the crimes and the frequency repeat offenders offend.

We would pay Countries that are currently in debt to the British Government to incarcerate these individuals.

No longer our problem.

[Hillman avenger]

Can anyone explain why this is automatically a "leftie" issue?
We have had open prisons for over 70 years.
They are used for people on short sentences not considered a risk to the public. And for some longer-term prisoners as part of their readjustment to life outside.
Abscondong has reduced year by year and it's now 15%.When recaptured they lose remission and go back to higher security prisons.
Someone in this case misjudged these people.

[Fug1]

Can anyone explain why this is automatically a "leftie" issue?
We have had open prisons for over 70 years.
They are used for people on short sentences not considered a risk to the public. And for some longer-term prisoners as part of their readjustment to life outside.
Abscondong has reduced year by year and it's now 15%.When recaptured they lose remission and go back to higher security prisons.
Someone in this case misjudged these people.

I think it's more the softly softly approach to discipline and punishment Hillman that is being questioned, the 'you can't touch me copper I'm under x years old', or 'you can't impose that level of discipline/punishment it's against my human rights'.

[Zambo]

Can anyone explain why this is automatically a "leftie" issue

Do you honestly believe that someone with a pair of balls would make this decision?

[Hillman avenger]

Can anyone explain why this is automatically a "leftie" issue?
We have had open prisons for over 70 years.
They are used for people on short sentences not considered a risk to the public. And for some longer-term prisoners as part of their readjustment to life outside.
Abscondong has reduced year by year and it's now 15%.When recaptured they lose remission and go back to higher security prisons.
Someone in this case misjudged these people.

I think it's more the softly softly approach to discipline and punishment Hillman that is being questioned, the 'you can't touch me copper I'm under x years old', or 'you can't impose that level of discipline/punishment it's against my human rights'.

Neither of which relate to this example.
A system which simply locks people up in high security for years, irrespective of crime or person, would massively drive up re-offending.
This has nothing to do with being kind, it's about what works.
About a thousand people a week are released and most of them finished their sentence in an open prison. The majority, who don't reoffend, do not of course attract publicity

[Hillman avenger]

Can anyone explain why this is automatically a "leftie" issue

Do you honestly believe that someone with a pair of balls would make this decision?

As ever, you ( nor I) know what went on.
Clearly it was wrong, but you don't hear about the majority where it works

[Zambo]

Can anyone explain why this is automatically a "leftie" issue

Do you honestly believe that someone with a pair of balls would make this decision?

As ever, you ( nor I) know what went on.
Clearly it was wrong, but you don't hear about the majority where it works

To risk putting violent individuals in an open prison is madness, end of.

[Fug1]

http://open.justice.gov.uk/reoffending/

2013.

So if we take your figure of 1000 offenders released per week as gospel, 740 of those convicted go on to commit no further crimes.

That's great news clearly.

But, 260 commit an average of 3.1 crimes each of varing severity; 801 crimes in total.

What are you going to do about them?

If they knew they would lose British Citizenship and be locked up in a foreign jail, serving the punishment to the crimes they committed according to that Countries laws, to you think they would re-offend?

I mean every citizen that lives in this Country.

I mean the Sudan I'm sure would welcome £700,000,000 wiped of their debt they owe the UK for locking up 260 (offenders)x52(weeks) multiplied by £52,000 which is apparently how much it costs is to lock them up for the year.

I'm not suggesting this action immediately for everybody.

I'm suggesting when rehab, punishment, skills training all fail, this is for the people that have committed atrocities and are serial offenders.

[m4rkb]

The public are led to believe people are dragged back to prison to complete their terms if they breach their parole conditions. Are they fuck. The ones who stand a chance of being rehabilitated because the lifestyle to them is like being a fish out of water are dragged back. The proper habitual criminals are constantly let out if they can manage to keep their crimes below severe.

They usually have social workers (see above for my opinion of them) who do their best to convince another lot of gullible idiots that their 'client' will go straight from now on. They also have a regular solicitor on hand to further help everytime they are arrested. I'd stop this waste of money on legal aid for these people pretty sharpo if I had my way and spend the money on honest struggling people who get almost no representation for any minor transgression of the law.

But these solicitors love them as they are literally regular customers.

[Royal24s]

I've found that lots of policemen say that until they get falsely accused of something , at which point it dawns upon them that there are very good reasons for providing the opportunity of legal advice.
As you probably know , I've performed both roles and when I retired and took up a quick but very lucrative second career in Law I found a few former colleagues who didn't like it much.
I was able to provide a certain insight into the prosecution as you can imagine and I must say that I was pretty good at it. The reason that I say such an immodest thing is to explain that some policemen resented it if I ran rings round them a few times and there were a few physical confrontations actually, BUT if and when they got on the wrong side of what can sometimes be a corrupt system, I was the first and only choice to go and pull them out of it.

In short, no one likes these little slags getting away with it all the time, but it'd be a VERY big mistake to drop standards . Would you like to see more convictions if the price was more miscarriages of justice ?
I'm sure you wouldn't actually.

[m4rkb]

Actually royals I take on board what you say but when you see scrotes committing robberies every day getting caught every other day, bailed and then straight back onto the street to do the same the second they're released , you realise certain standards are there just top be abused. In the particular case I have in mind based on the above sentence, every arrest produced a solicitor to help him back out, a social worker to aid him and an entourage of other experts claiming his background was the problem. Wrong it's not his problem it's ours while the weak justice system fails to spot reality.

Someone falsely accused of something or a non habitual offender is in a different bracket IMO. In the above case if you lose your right to legal representation due to your own stupidity that's tough luck. There are plenty of basically decent people who could use some legal help in their hour of need but are refused because they HAVE A JOB so should fork out for it themselves.

Anyone not paying a parking fine for instance or council tax because they are genuinely short of money and getting visited by a load of thuggish bailiffs flouting every law put in place and extorting money from them with lies is something I've seen dozens of times. I've had them land on me as well for parking infringements in London and unitl I learned the law and met a barrister who was pretty expert at sending them packing i'd have faced them a few times.

So in short I'd sooner see the meagre budget spent on protecting people who are generally on the stright and narrow rather than wasted on people who ride the system.

[Royal24s]

Well actually , I favour something similar to the the ancient system of declaring some people to be " outlaws". After four convictions for SERIOUS crime, ( not parking tickets or using telephones - don't get excited sambo), they lose some of the rights accorded to normal people. Of course, the real answer is for all parties to return to using common sense, but that's not going to happen any time soon.

[Royal24s]

We digress though, the reason why the left are a danger is because socialism is a diabolical and negative philosophy which is corrosive to the brain and has caused more human suffering than clap !

[Zambo]

Well actually , I favour something similar to the the ancient system of declaring some people to be " outlaws". After four convictions for SERIOUS crime, ( not parking tickets or using telephones - don't get excited sambo), they lose some of the rights accorded to normal people. Of course, the real answer is for all parties to return to using common sense, but that's not going to happen any time soon.

Four convictions, you're having a laugh. Two is plenty. If you go back after one it is likely that you will become a serial. And what's this sambo shite. I am not in the habit of using a racist id as a username. And before any tit claims that Zambo is the same as Sambo, don't bother. I thought the following fit rather well so used it.

Oh by the way, this also should apply to the cunts using phones whilst driving, and putting on make-up etc.. Take their licence away the first time.

Zambo - A pedigree of the human race. Excels at friendship, flip cup and being a magnet for women. Has an inclination for experimenting with challenging aspects in life - kiteboarding, skydiving and anything that gets the adrenaline running is in sync with his perspective on life. Faith is built on the present and what he can do to better the future for him an those around him. and family and friends are always held at the highest regard.

Zambo = Hellboy

[kancutlawns]

Actually royals I take on board what you say but when you see scrotes committing robberies every day getting caught every other day, bailed and then straight back onto the street to do the same the second they're released , you realise certain standards are there just top be abused. In the particular case I have in mind based on the above sentence, every arrest produced a solicitor to help him back out, a social worker to aid him and an entourage of other experts claiming his background was the problem. Wrong it's not his problem it's ours while the weak justice system fails to spot reality.

Someone falsely accused of something or a non habitual offender is in a different bracket IMO. In the above case if you lose your right to legal representation due to your own stupidity that's tough luck. There are plenty of basically decent people who could use some legal help in their hour of need but are refused because they HAVE A JOB so should fork out for it themselves.

Anyone not paying a parking fine for instance or council tax because they are genuinely short of money and getting visited by a load of thuggish bailiffs flouting every law put in place and extorting money from them with lies is something I've seen dozens of times. I've had them land on me as well for parking infringements in London and unitl I learned the law and met a barrister who was pretty expert at sending them packing i'd have faced them a few times.

So in short I'd sooner see the meagre budget spent on protecting people who are generally on the stright and narrow rather than wasted on people who ride the system.

To be honest mark, if idiots aren't aware that the councils need to raise dough and will seize on anyone who's parked this car somewhere where they haven't paid for the right amount time then that's their fault. Don't agree really with the amount of fine but if I've had a case for appealing against a fine I've picked up, I've managed to get this overturned with the relevant evidence and correctly worded letter and if I've been done, legitimately I hold my hands up and pay. If people can't pay, then they should think about it instead of parking the car where they shouldn't. I've never picked up a parking ticket in London and was done once ten years ago for driving in a bus lane. People just need to pay more attention.

[m4rkb]

Yes I agree with that Lawns but it's the way the full weight of the law comes down on people who are basically just trying to eek a living and commit a minor transgression versus a habitual piss taker like I described is not right if lawful. I'm not sympathising with people who deliberately park on DY lines or other deliberate acts I'm just picking on a minor incident which escalates into a far greater punishment than some wanton and habitual offenders face.

For the record the case I quoted above is real and an abomination. I knew the guy and there was not a waking moment he wasn't out theiving. The police arrested him 42 out of the good few hundred they could have arrested him and he was consecutively bailed 42 times only to commit a number of further offences the immediate second he was bailed. I know more but none as flagrant as that.

Rather than mollycoddle him he should have had his rights ripped up far earlier. Fortunately he wasn't violent but they do the same with regulars in that field too.

It really is a sick joke that the criminal justice system is so naiive and that people with their eyes open to the problem are the last ones to have any say in the matter.

[The Tick]

The socialist menace is a bogeyman cooked up by the right to cover their own sinister activities. When you see the devastation wreaked on the country by right wing governments for the past three decades, it's clear to see where the fault really lies.

Sadly useful idiots like m4rkb, royal24s, zambo etc will always make it too easy for the corrupt and greedy to exploit society.

[m4rkb]

So how are the corrupt and greedy influencing the day to day criminal justice system.

Oh I know. They form bodies like left wing Councils who are the worst extorters of people to pay for the rest of their profligacy.

If we're confining ourselves to the topic they seem to be finding excuses for letting all the worst offenders out or doing nothing at all.

[Royal24s]

The socialist menace is a bogeyman cooked up by the right to cover their own sinister activities. When you see the devastation wreaked on the country by right wing governments for the past three decades, it's clear to see where the fault really lies.

Sadly useful idiots like m4rkb, royal24s, zambo etc will always make it too easy for the corrupt and greedy to exploit society.

Yeah, except that I'm not necessarily right wing. You assume that because I'm not in your particular brainwashed tribal gang that I must be in the other one.
If you'd read or understood anything I've ever written here, I constantly invite people to reject the left right paradigm.
Nonetheless socialism is both ridiculous and wicked. Do you know of anywhere where it's worked except to create a very rich party elite and impoverished tyrannised people ?

[Royal24s]

Well actually , I favour something similar to the the ancient system of declaring some people to be " outlaws". After four convictions for SERIOUS crime, ( not parking tickets or using telephones - don't get excited sambo), they lose some of the rights accorded to normal people. Of course, the real answer is for all parties to return to using common sense, but that's not going to happen any time soon.

Four convictions, you're having a laugh. Two is plenty. If you go back after one it is likely that you will become a serial. And what's this sambo shite. I am not in the habit of using a racist id as a username. And before any tit claims that Zambo is the same as Sambo, don't bother. I thought the following fit rather well so used it.

Oh by the way, this also should apply to the cunts using phones whilst driving, and putting on make-up etc.. Take their licence away the first time.

Zambo - A pedigree of the human race. Excels at friendship, flip cup and being a magnet for women. Has an inclination for experimenting with challenging aspects in life - kiteboarding, skydiving and anything that gets the adrenaline running is in sync with his perspective on life. Faith is built on the present and what he can do to better the future for him an those around him. and family and friends are always held at the highest regard.

Zambo = Hellboy

We were talking about making them outlaws and removing the protection of the law from them rather than taking their driving licence away . I think we'd have to err on the side of caution because I think mark was quoting some little scrote with 42 or something which is unfortunately not that unusual and it's possible that someone could over a few years get two convictions without being a career criminal . Four is pushing it though.

[paolo]

it's the left that bully, the left that refuse democracy, the left that disrupt, the left that are violent

the left that demonstrate the greatest display of bigotry