Zambo wrote:Royal24s wrote:
We were talking about making them outlaws and removing the protection of the law from them rather than taking their driving licence away . I think we'd have to err on the side of caution because I think mark was quoting some little scrote with 42 or something which is unfortunately not that unusual and it's possible that someone could over a few years get two convictions without being a career criminal . Four is pushing it though.
We need to purge this shit. I for one would be quite happy to pay extra tax if it could be guaranteed that it would be spent reinforcing the police, cutting down of paperwork, and getting officers on patrol. I also believe that strong deterrents reduce crime, but when I say strong I mean strong. What they are doing at the moment to increase fines and number of points is a complete waste of time for two reasons. One, it won't be enforced, and two it's not a strong enough deterrent.
If they really want to crack it then they need a tough punishment like taking away the licence, but again even that won't stop some morons risking it because they know that the likelihood of them getting caught is remote. Same to for all crimes, step it up until the deterrent kicks in. There is a level for all criminals, it needs to be established.
I appreciate your motives and commitment Rambo, ( sorry, can't help it- you know I'm going to do this like a naughty child , don't you), but my experience tells me something different and, in considering this bear in mind that we got rather better results .
Firstly, if you work with and for the people, they will give you the support you need to keep general control, secondly , if you try and stand on the people they will eventually flatten you because there are a lot if them.
Most importantly , " those who fight monsters must take care that they don't become monsters", and this is a bigger potential problem in dealing with big boys crime than it is for some little dickhead bothering drivers with his book of fixed penalty notices.
Ordinary decent people and families get themselves in a fix occasionally and if we can apply common sense on those occasions we can often avoid creating any new criminals and leave them with a lifelong confidence in the police and at the same time recruit them to the right side if they'd been teetering in the balance.
That doesn't mean that you can't fucking terrorise real criminals in a similarly unorthodox manner, and when you do you'll have the support of the community because they know from thrur exoerience and your reputation that there will be a very good reason if you're acting like a total bastard to someone.
Look, in certain areas of London there's a culture of crime, with what we'll call ordinary people living amongst it and either blending in to the generally dodgy sub economy or trying to work honestly for a living and perhaps eventually move their families somewhere a bit nicer. Now, if you go marching in there measuring the depth of their tyre treads and getting them fined so they can't afford to struggle on honestly or run their old cars to work anymore , what effect will that have.
Will that reduce crime or reduce the opportunities to avoid it ?
