The New New World Order - Rise of Liberty

[Roy Twing]

Their sudden vault face in opinion was needed for them to maintain the high mantle of representing all acceptable public opinion from a left perspective.It's a bit like these official reports which suddenly recognise bears do their business in the woods after years of everyone else telling them they do. But now it's official and therefore true whereas it wasn't before.

Rest assured it won't be long before they revert to type and the same name calling is back in the open with alternative excuses attached rather than admitting we've all had enough of the liberal / globalist agenda. Just like the EU response to widespread rebellion was to give them more Europe.

But they haven’t actually had that volte face as such, - your ‘bears in the woods’ analogy is spot on though, - they (the metropolitan elite) still see their views as the only sane ones, but that us ‘bears’, being a different, lower species, need to be viewed more tolerantly, otherwise we may bite (we're getting a bit antsy lately).
Until they genuinely see us (the majority) as fellow humans with views at least equal to theirs, nothing substantial will alter.
Maybe we need to actually bite before they get it.

[Ralph]

I must be missing sommat.

More people actually voted againd Trump than wot voted for him.

Brexit was gained with a very slim majority, and even at that, was endorsed by what, about 30 to 40% of the electorate.

Hardly a sign of a mass movement of lovahs of libertah on the march, innit

Contrary to the longings of some on the lunatic fringe in this here bailwick, progressive liberal values will not be trampled underfoot in perpetuity by demagogues peddling lies and innuendo and whom, when given their "victory", have not got the foggiest notion how to go forward, given their own lack of belief in their own lies.

Suddenly Obamacare doesn't need to be dismantled on day one.

The Mexican wall was merely a "good election device".

Watch this space, you guys.

The good guys are still here

Yep. More people voted for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. By the time all the votes have been counted it's possible she will have won the popular vote quite comfortably.

Points to a badly organised Clinton campaign more than anything else.

[Roy Twing]

I must be missing sommat.

More people actually voted againd Trump than wot voted for him.

Brexit was gained with a very slim majority, and even at that, was endorsed by what, about 30 to 40% of the electorate.

Hardly a sign of a mass movement of lovahs of libertah on the march, innit

Contrary to the longings of some on the lunatic fringe in this here bailwick, progressive liberal values will not be trampled underfoot in perpetuity by demagogues peddling lies and innuendo and whom, when given their "victory", have not got the foggiest notion how to go forward, given their own lack of belief in their own lies.

Suddenly Obamacare doesn't need to be dismantled on day one.

The Mexican wall was merely a "good election device".

Watch this space, you guys.

The good guys are still here

Yep. More people voted for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. By the time all the votes have been counted it's possible she will have won the popular vote quite comfortably.

Points to a badly organised Clinton campaign more than anything else.

Sour grapes out in force again.
Trump won.
Brexit won.
Get over I.

[Petingo]

I must be missing sommat.

More people actually voted againd Trump than wot voted for him.

Brexit was gained with a very slim majority, and even at that, was endorsed by what, about 30 to 40% of the electorate.

Hardly a sign of a mass movement of lovahs of libertah on the march, innit

Contrary to the longings of some on the lunatic fringe in this here bailwick, progressive liberal values will not be trampled underfoot in perpetuity by demagogues peddling lies and innuendo and whom, when given their "victory", have not got the foggiest notion how to go forward, given their own lack of belief in their own lies.

Suddenly Obamacare doesn't need to be dismantled on day one.

The Mexican wall was merely a "good election device".

Watch this space, you guys.

The good guys are still here

Yep. More people voted for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. By the time all the votes have been counted it's possible she will have won the popular vote quite comfortably.

Points to a badly organised Clinton campaign more than anything else.

Sour grapes out in force again.
Trump won.
Brexit won.
Get over I.

What a silly man you are, Mr. Twing.

The reasons you put forward fir Brexit winning are the polar opposite of what you do for Trump winning,

Y'all can't have it both ways.

But that is by the by.

The OP is blathering on about the Trump victory being a sign that lovahs of libertah are on the march when in actual fact, an incontrovertible and inconvenient truth for him and his theory is that more people actually voted againt Trump than wot voted for him.

Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And try and pay attention to the topic under discussion.

Thank yiun

[Royal24s]

I can't see the contradiction in Roy's argument. Perhaps you could explain how you came to that conclusion.
I'm afraid he CAN have it both ways though, in fact he's GOT it. The results are what the results are, and he called both of them correctly.
The Electoral College system is there for very good reasons, and always has been. We know that it doesn't necessarily reflect the total number of votes cast because it represents the majority of States and thus preserves the Union.
It is both ridiculous and dangerous to raise this argument just because you lost under a very established system without which the interests and wishes of the majority of States would be ignored in favour of a few major population centres. This would undoubtedly lead to the break down of the Union.
It seems that some people would think that a price worth paying for personal power.

[Roy Twing]

I must be missing sommat.

More people actually voted againd Trump than wot voted for him.

Brexit was gained with a very slim majority, and even at that, was endorsed by what, about 30 to 40% of the electorate.

Hardly a sign of a mass movement of lovahs of libertah on the march, innit

Contrary to the longings of some on the lunatic fringe in this here bailwick, progressive liberal values will not be trampled underfoot in perpetuity by demagogues peddling lies and innuendo and whom, when given their "victory", have not got the foggiest notion how to go forward, given their own lack of belief in their own lies.

Suddenly Obamacare doesn't need to be dismantled on day one.

The Mexican wall was merely a "good election device".

Watch this space, you guys.

The good guys are still here

Yep. More people voted for Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. By the time all the votes have been counted it's possible she will have won the popular vote quite comfortably.

Points to a badly organised Clinton campaign more than anything else.

Sour grapes out in force again.
Trump won.
Brexit won.
Get over I.

What a silly man you are, Mr. Twing.

The reasons you put forward fir Brexit winning are the polar opposite of what you do for Trump winning,

Y'all can't have it both ways.

But that is by the by.

The OP is blathering on about the Trump victory being a sign that lovahs of libertah are on the march when in actual fact, an incontrovertible and inconvenient truth for him and his theory is that more people actually voted againt Trump than wot voted for him.

Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

And try and pay attention to the topic under discussion.

Thank yiun

Perhaps if I adopt an affected southern drawl I may appear less 'silly' to those of your mindset Mr P.

Leaving aside personal jibes though if at all possible, as royals has already clarified, there is no contradiction.

The referendum was a straightforward , one-off, in or out vote, - brexit won under the rules of the vote, - there is no ambiguity.

The trump campaign won under the rules of the US electoral system, - as trump himself said, he played by those rules and campaigned where he felt it necessary, and if the result were based on total popular vote he "would have campaigned in N.Y. Florida and California and won even bigger and more easily" - in other words, he won under the rules of the vote - there is no ambiguity.

But carry on with the sour grapes, if you think it makes you feel better.

[kancutlawns]

A week in and here are the highlights:

- Trump thinks that some parts of Obamacare may be retained
- Prospective Secretary of State Rudolph Guiliani has warned Trump not to be so favourable and forge close ties with Putin
- Adopts the Arsene Wenger "I did not see it" approach to a spike in Muslims being attached following his election win
- Has distanced himself from Teresa May as the Conservative Central Office were scrambling to save face as he rang her after fifteen odd countries gave him their congratulations
- Has backed down on his pledge to build a complete wall
- putting family members in his team

He really hasn't got a clue has he?

[Petingo]

A week in and here are the highlights:

- Trump thinks that some parts of Obamacare may be retained
- Prospective Secretary of State Rudolph Guiliani has warned Trump not to be so favourable and forge close ties with Putin
- Adopts the Arsene Wenger "I did not see it" approach to a spike in Muslims being attached following his election win
- Has distanced himself from Teresa May as the Conservative Central Office were scrambling to save face as he rang her after fifteen odd countries gave him their congratulations
- Has backed down on his pledge to build a complete wall
- putting family members in his team

He really hasn't got a clue has he?

Nope.

[kancutlawns]

Surrounding himself with nasty far right confidantes though whilst appearing to be softening his stance. This is a dangerous man who really is no mug.

[warmleatherette]

A week in and here are the highlights:

- Trump thinks that some parts of Obamacare may be retained
- Prospective Secretary of State Rudolph Guiliani has warned Trump not to be so favourable and forge close ties with Putin
- Adopts the Arsene Wenger "I did not see it" approach to a spike in Muslims being attached following his election win
- Has distanced himself from Teresa May as the Conservative Central Office were scrambling to save face as he rang her after fifteen odd countries gave him their congratulations
- Has backed down on his pledge to build a complete wall
- putting family members in his team

He really hasn't got a clue has he?

People voted for change and that's what they're getting, what's not to like?

[m4rkb]

Change itself by the seem of it.