Green belt

[theleader82]

Isn't it time we started building on green belt land to help alleviate the housing crisis? Most of the housing demand is in the south east but nimbys are preventing development .its not fair on other areas of the country to have all the new builds

[The Tick]

There was a very practical and necessary reason for the green belt's creation.

London should build taller if it can't cope, or let the rest of the country share the spoils better.

[Royal24s]

It's not a shortage of land. There are plenty of brownfield sites in the South East, but surely people would be whining if new developments only happened in the South East ?
Is this about the housing shortage or just wanting to shit up the countryside in the South in revenge for the mess people have made of their own areas elsewhere ?

[AlcoholBrazil]

shit has a habit of spreading if you create a space for it. Like a woman's wardrobe . Buy her a second wardrobe and it will be filled.

[Roy Twing]

There are huge swathes of greenbelt being built upon in areas close to where I live.
I don't know if everyone is aware, but the government a while ago, subtly changed the guidelines regarding approval for development - previously, councils were instructed to generally tend to reject plans for greenbelt development and now it is the opposite, - they will generally tend to approve.
The main contributor to the problem is of course, mass immigration.

[Hillman avenger]

There are huge swathes of greenbelt being built upon in areas close to where I live.
I don't know if everyone is aware, but the government a while ago, subtly changed the guidelines regarding approval for development - previously, councils were instructed to generally tend to reject plans for greenbelt development and now it is the opposite, - they will generally tend to approve.
The main contributor to the problem is of course, mass immigration.

Got all the way to the last sentence thinking at last a decent post.
Then you go and spoil it.

[Zambo]

There are huge swathes of greenbelt being built upon in areas close to where I live.
I don't know if everyone is aware, but the government a while ago, subtly changed the guidelines regarding approval for development - previously, councils were instructed to generally tend to reject plans for greenbelt development and now it is the opposite, - they will generally tend to approve.
The main contributor to the problem is of course, mass immigration.

Got all the way to the last sentence thinking at last a decent post.
Then you go and spoil it.

What is the main problem then, women forgetting to take the morning after pill?

[Hillman avenger]

The main problem is lack of social housing causing a great distortion in house prices

[Zambo]

The main problem is lack of social housing causing a great distortion in house prices

If there weren't so many people then they wouldn't need so many more houses. What in your view, is the main reason for the population growth?

[The Tick]

The demand in housing has risen sharpest in the South East of the UK. The rest of the country is not facing such intense demand.

http://www.centreforcities.org/reader/c ... rspective/

[Roy Twing]

The main problem is lack of social housing causing a great distortion in house prices

That's a consequence of the causes of the problem.
The greatest contributor to that problem is, as I've said, mass immigration.

[The Tick]

The mass sell off of public/social housing is a big culprit.

[Roy Twing]

The mass sell off of public/social housing is a big culprit.

So the houses disappeared when they were sold off?

[Zambo]

Some may think he's difficult to see or pretending he's not there, but he's there alright.

[The Tick]

The mass sell off of public/social housing is a big culprit.

So the houses disappeared when they were sold off?

No but they've become less accessible on account of rising value on account of being in the private market and being redeveloped.

[Royal24s]

This might be a bit unorthodox , but has anyone thought of finding themselves somewhere to live rather than waiting for someone else to do it ?
It's never been easy to get your first house unless you're a social parasite or an immigrant, who doesnt mind renting and living off welfare in a crap hole full of people like them, but there ARE ways around most difficulties and a lot of people still manage to sort it out for themselves.
The basic problem here though, is that a lot of stupid people have believed promises from politicians which they can't possibly keep.
I posted not long ago the straightforward way to replenish the housing stock, and I don't think anyone was actually able to say it wouldn't work. I could also probably tell most people how to get a start in home ownership but it would involve some forethought, work and determination, so maybe it wouldn't work for those who haven't already done it for themselves.
Getting yourself a home is the sort of thing people in their late teens and twenties should be addressing themselves to rather than following false trails toward an entirely imaginary socialist paradise. If they applied their efforts to that and similar goals , perhaps they'd gain enough experience of real life to form better judgement and be able to offer constructive opinions when they're a bit older.

[Roy Twing]

The mass sell off of public/social housing is a big culprit.

So the houses disappeared when they were sold off?

No but they've become less accessible on account of rising value on account of being in the private market and being redeveloped.

I see, - so most of them are empty then?

[Reg]

Just had a quick look at the cost of renting a flat in London.

A one-bedroom ex-council flat in Camberwell is going for £1,150 a month. (Camberwell is in south-east London just next to Peckham).

When I lived in a council flat in Camberwell (and elsewhere in London) it was vastly cheaper than that (taking into account inflation obviously).

I can't understand how anyone can afford to rent let alone buy in the capital these days.

[Royal24s]

It's because they get huge benefits. You're quite right, people who work for a living couldn't afford to live in these council run hell holes even if they wanted to.

[Reg]

It's because they get huge benefits. You're quite right, people who work for a living couldn't afford to live in these council run hell holes even if they wanted to.

This isn't council-run though - it's a private landlord making a fortune out of a tiny former council flat which would once have cost a fraction of the amount to rent.

[The Tick]

The mass sell off of public/social housing is a big culprit.

So the houses disappeared when they were sold off?

No but they've become less accessible on account of rising value on account of being in the private market and being redeveloped.

I see, - so most of them are empty then?

Certainly for London, there are problems with unoccupied and under occupied residential properties.

[The Tick]

This might be a bit unorthodox , but has anyone thought of finding themselves somewhere to live rather than waiting for someone else to do it ?
It's never been easy to get your first house unless you're a social parasite or an immigrant, who doesnt mind renting and living off welfare in a crap hole full of people like them, but there ARE ways around most difficulties and a lot of people still manage to sort it out for themselves.
The basic problem here though, is that a lot of stupid people have believed promises from politicians which they can't possibly keep.
I posted not long ago the straightforward way to replenish the housing stock, and I don't think anyone was actually able to say it wouldn't work. I could also probably tell most people how to get a start in home ownership but it would involve some forethought, work and determination, so maybe it wouldn't work for those who haven't already done it for themselves.
Getting yourself a home is the sort of thing people in their late teens and twenties should be addressing themselves to rather than following false trails toward an entirely imaginary socialist paradise. If they applied their efforts to that and similar goals , perhaps they'd gain enough experience of real life to form better judgement and be able to offer constructive opinions when they're a bit older.

its the underuse of existing stock which is a problem. Also when properties are insanely expensive to occupy (coupled with stagnant salaries) the access to housing is difficult for much of the ordinary public.

[Royal24s]

This might be a bit unorthodox , but has anyone thought of finding themselves somewhere to live rather than waiting for someone else to do it ?
It's never been easy to get your first house unless you're a social parasite or an immigrant, who doesnt mind renting and living off welfare in a crap hole full of people like them, but there ARE ways around most difficulties and a lot of people still manage to sort it out for themselves.
The basic problem here though, is that a lot of stupid people have believed promises from politicians which they can't possibly keep.
I posted not long ago the straightforward way to replenish the housing stock, and I don't think anyone was actually able to say it wouldn't work. I could also probably tell most people how to get a start in home ownership but it would involve some forethought, work and determination, so maybe it wouldn't work for those who haven't already done it for themselves.
Getting yourself a home is the sort of thing people in their late teens and twenties should be addressing themselves to rather than following false trails toward an entirely imaginary socialist paradise. If they applied their efforts to that and similar goals , perhaps they'd gain enough experience of real life to form better judgement and be able to offer constructive opinions when they're a bit older.

its the underuse of existing stock which is a problem. Also when properties are insanely expensive to occupy (coupled with stagnant salaries) the access to housing is difficult for much of the ordinary public.

Just lost a long post, but essentially you're quite right. It is revolting that these pen pushing arseholes can't be bothered to sort out the stock they've got when it would help so many people.
Like all politicians and public sector parasites they talk a lot and get nothing done, and this is another very good reason why everyone who possibly can should try to find their own solutions, because they'll grow old and die waiting for the government to keep its promises.
Hey, not a bad idea for another petition there - that councils must take immediate steps to allocate empty properties or pass them to some third party who will do so - something like that, needs a bit of thought .

[Roy Twing]

All just sticking plaster - as long as the population continues to grow at somewhere around 300,000 (some would say probably a hell of a lot more in reality) each year, it's a losing battle.

[The Tick]

All just sticking plaster - as long as the population continues to grow at somewhere around 300,000 (some would say probably a hell of a lot more in reality) each year, it's a losing battle.

Cities like Liverpool, Newcastle, Glasgow, Sheffield, Bradford are struggling with minimal population growth. Until recently, some of them were even experiencing negative growth and are still trying to recover from that.