Calais Chaos

[Darkyboy]

As nations like the UK are the cause of so much misery in the nations the migrants and refugees come from, it is only right that we shoulder some of the responsibility of looking after them.

Ah, the Momentum foreign policy mantra "blame the US, the UK and Israel for everything".

[m4rkb]

As nations like the UK are the cause of so much misery in the nations the migrants and refugees come from, it is only right that we shoulder some of the responsibility of looking after them.

Absolute cobblers.

Blair outright lied to Parliament to further his own political dreams not to make the country more secure. Given what we all found out later, a huge amount of anger was unleashed by his phony war and sycophantic support for George Bush.

We could have helped by pulling out yes which is what an awful lot of people wanted, but the politicians are now so in the pockets of global interests only a handful speak out against our further involvement.

They don't ever help themselves in these either when offered democracy, they always chose someone with an Islamic agenda when some dictator doesn't do them a favour by enforcing secularism and normality.

But above all these cunts are flooding in from North Africa for economic migrancy reasons. They can't run a tap in these places let alone a country so they look to come here where we still just about can.

Let them all live in the politicians neighbourhoods and let those who want them fund them, or help them repair the damage in their own countries so they can go back.

Better still do what's already been suggested and is staring us in the face, bring our troop back to police our own borders. It makes you wonder if the people in charge actually want a solution or stop the hoards or whether they are so wrapped in their cosy protected lifestyles they actually don't know there is a problem.

[Royal24s]

As nations like the UK are the cause of so much misery in the nations the migrants and refugees come from, it is only right that we shoulder some of the responsibility of looking after them.

No, the UK isn't responsible. The bent socialist politicians and those they work for are responsible.
These same crooks are wrecking the UK as well as meddling in the affairs of these primitive countries you love so much. Actually, I don't know why you don't go and live in one of them - perhaps you'd be happier.

[Hillman avenger]

The idea that we are being controlled by socialists is barking.

[Royal24s]

The idea that we are being controlled by socialists is barking.

That's not an argument or a point is it ?
That's just a proclamation on your part. It's the same as taking turns to say
"Yes it is
No it isn't "

Listen, you've picked up quite a few argumentative tricks from watching tv, and this is one of them - diminishing the other point of view by being smug and calling the other person mad - but you don't seem to have noticed that it doesn't work anymore.
People are onto it, and that's why they're tired of hearing it from politicians.
If you get caught out you just allege racism or say its a conspiracy theory and everyone is supposed to ignore what the other person said.
It's actually patently true that socialists are controlling the agenda. Everyone can see that, but what is not so obvious is that they themselves are being controlled and will only be allowed to carry on until they have fully achieved their purpose of destroying human societies and nations.
It's very close to a final showdown now between the Globalists and the human race as we have previously known it. Maybe we can strike a mortal blow to them very soon if Donald Trump is elected, but in any case it's reached a critical mass of independent thought and the ability of the wicked and their unwitting agents ( that's you) to stifle truth and common sense is certainly on the wane.

[Ralph]

The idea that we are being controlled by socialists is barking.

Last time I checked we had a Conservative government, led by a woman who was previously Home Secretary for 6 years. But of course imaginary socialists are to blame....for everything.

[kancutlawns]

Yup and of course the murder of a person of a nationality that was targeted in a vidictive and xenophobic political campaign this summer is conveniently forgotten in all this.

Bizarre isn't it when radical marginalised socialists are the alternative political party with no representation for liberals how they're to blame for this country's ails? Collective insanity from a low browed nation.

[Royal24s]

The idea that we are being controlled by socialists is barking.

Last time I checked we had a Conservative government, led by a woman who was previously Home Secretary for 6 years. But of course imaginary socialists are to blame....for everything.

I keep coming back to this left right paradigm with you, Ralph.
It's a complete con trick that people are or are not socialists according to labour/ conservative fake allegiances.
Lots of so called conservatives tick an awful lot of socialist boxes don't they ?
- vice versa too.
As I keep saying though, the socialists aren't actually controlling anything. They just think they are, and something else is controlling them.

[Royal24s]

Ralph. If socialism is good, why isn't that apparent to everyone ?
If it could work, why hasn't it ever worked ?
If it helps people, why has it killed do many millions of people ?

Did you ever see that famous Mitchell and Webb sketch where the two SS officers gradually realised they were on the side of the bad guys ?

[Royal24s]

http://youtu.be/8JOpPNra4bw

[Ralph]

Ralph. If socialism is good, why isn't that apparent to everyone ?
If it could work, why hasn't it ever worked ?
If it helps people, why has it killed do many millions of people ?

Did you ever see that famous Mitchell and Webb sketch where the two SS officers gradually realised they were on the side of the bad guys ?

I don't think unfettered socialism or capitalism is good. I'm in favour of a mixed economy.

Just seems silly to blame socialists for our problems when there are no socialists anywhere near the levers of power & haven't been since 1945.

Why do you keep bringing the Nazis into the conversation?

[Ralph]

http://youtu.be/8JOpPNra4bw

Seen it before but worth watching again. Not sure how it relates to what we're talking about though.

[m4rkb]

I've got to disagree in practice with the left right argument not being valid. It's still in effect as far as voters are concerned, it's just hardly in effect in the aftermath of voting, and there are certainly many on both sides who shared commonalities with the other.

I vote, or used to vote, Conservative which is no use in a Labour stronghold so I vote UKIP to demonstrate support. I know they would not be a very good government if elected, but that's not a worry because they're not going to be. I'll take a Tory government every time over a Labour one because Labour's leftist principles are too much for my liking and border on pure spite towards conservatives by doing things like deliberately flooding us with immigrants because it was irresponsible and got up our nose. They are also the biggest bunch of hypocrites going professing to want to share everyone else's wealth bar their own. The worst types are corporate socialists and others who shout about fairness yet will never donate a penny from their own huge wealth. Russell Brand and Bono anyone?

The Tories equally give us left wing rubbish which we don't want, but not as bad a Labour. This is purely because, as was pointed out, we live under clear and obvious socialist principles which are hard to ditch now we're this far down the road but they could have been dealt with much earlier. This is not a bad thing and I'd be a committed socialist myself if the country's wealth was shared amongst my own countrymen if they were prepared to try but I object to it being wasted on those who have no intention of trying and think the world owes them a living.
Labour have made this bunch their client base and keep them in poverty just for votes. If any one side needs seeing through, it should be this one because the tories at least do not deny they like personal wealth for all those committed to generating it.

I personally would like to see a lot more state jobs bought back where viable but this would probably never happen because most are totally unproductive and would instantly be hijacked by hard line union leaders whose first day at work would be to call a strike.

They also are essential for proper community cohesion , ie local workforces all rubbing along nicely with each other rather than a huge unemployment divide with all new jobs going to the lowest tender foreigner.

The principles are still alive in the voters heads , it's just the people in power who are supposed to represent both sides are all frauds.

[Royal24s]

Well yes the idea of left and right are still alive in the heads of the voters, but it's a lie and that's why I keep trying to tell people that. I've heard the conversations between these people whilst they're on the piss and they don't believe a word of what they're saying. They have total contempt for anyone who believes they're on different sides and they definitely like each other a lot more than they like us, or this country.
It's nothing but a double sided good cop bad cop performance, if that makes sense.

[Royal24s]

Ralph. If socialism is good, why isn't that apparent to everyone ?
If it could work, why hasn't it ever worked ?
If it helps people, why has it killed do many millions of people ?

Did you ever see that famous Mitchell and Webb sketch where the two SS officers gradually realised they were on the side of the bad guys ?

I don't think unfettered socialism or capitalism is good. I'm in favour of a mixed economy.

Just seems silly to blame socialists for our problems when there are no socialists anywhere near the levers of power & haven't been since 1945.

Why do you keep bringing the Nazis into the conversation?

I could say that it's because they were socialists , but it wasn't actually. The sketch I thought of just happened to be about them - could have been about the Japanese, I didn't write it.
I explained my view about closet socialists wearing all political colours, so I won't repeat it.
You can tell , can't you, that I'm constantly trying to dissuade you from socialism . I make no apology for that because I sense that you're both a decent and intelligent chap , and whilst I wouldn't want to rubbish your honestly held views, I want you on our side !

[Hillman avenger]

So the people who don't think they are socialists are really applying socialism because they are acting under the influence of others who really are socialists, but to be correct are really satan's followers on earth?

Is that what you are trying to say ?

And Trump is leading the fight against this is he?

Does it not ever occur to you when you are typing this stuff just how lunatic it is?

That the "forces for good" believe in hate, racism, xenophobia...

Truly frightening

Apparently not

[Royal24s]

So the people who don't think they are socialists are really applying socialism because they are acting under the influence of others who really are socialists, but to be correct are really satan's followers on earth?

Is that what you are trying to say ?

And Trump is leading the fight against this is he?

Does it not ever occur to you when you are typing this stuff just how lunatic it is?

That the "forces for good" believe in hate, racism, xenophobia...

Truly frightening

Apparently not

No. If that's what I'd been trying to say I imagine that I'd have managed it.
I thought what I actually did say was pretty clear actually - that the belief in and motivation of socialism may be real or fake, that it may also be denied as a motive by those who nonetheless secretly believe in it, and that in whatever form it comes, it is being actually run by others who certainly don't believe in it but nonetheless find it a most convenient vehicle for their own agenda.
In this case I was talking about Globalists specifically, but you're quite right that it's ultimately satanic since you raise the subject.
Of course you think you're too clever to believe that, but that's your affair. If it sounds mad to you, then that is also your affair . I'm afraid I'm not saying things to be popular, otherwise I'd tell jokes or something, I'm saying things which are true and which are very important .

You endlessly seek to judge, but I'm afraid that , objectively,you're not actually in any position to do that. Going back to my first paragraph , the fact that you don't know any of that means that you went through the post war period without understanding, and probably not knowing , what was going on in the world. Your recent comment upon the Christine Keeler affair once again demonstrates that you swallow whatever the press tells you with such childlike naively that you're hardly a sound judge of anything.

Finally, your stuff about racism and hate or whatever it was is fucking nonsense. It's your only answer and indeed your default position when you can't argue a point and it makes no sense whatever. These are simply trendy words which can be bandied around but mean very little. I don't hate anyone or do any harm to other races, nor does Donald Trump. Simply raising a legitimate question does not become racism or hate because it involves some particular group . If such groups are involved in the question, then it is as acceptable to say so as it would be if it concerned anyone else .

[Rossco]

Order out of Chaos. All part of the game.

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That is a mural at Denver Airport BTW....lovely, but has a deep meaning if care to look into it. The giant horse statue outside there is nice as well. And the Freemason stone - clearly says New World airport near the bottom. Order out of Chaos. Make so much Chaos in this world that people will beg for order in a new one....see. If not. Why not?

Open in plain sight. Cheeky. But sure they can now as the dead walk the earth. Spirituality speaking. They have to catch Pokaman - catch em- if - they can - POKAMON

[Hillman avenger]

So the people who don't think they are socialists are really applying socialism because they are acting under the influence of others who really are socialists, but to be correct are really satan's followers on earth?

Is that what you are trying to say ?

And Trump is leading the fight against this is he?

Does it not ever occur to you when you are typing this stuff just how lunatic it is?

That the "forces for good" believe in hate, racism, xenophobia...

Truly frightening

Apparently not

No. If that's what I'd been trying to say I imagine that I'd have managed it.
I thought what I actually did say was pretty clear actually - that the belief in and motivation of socialism may be real or fake, that it may also be denied as a motive by those who nonetheless secretly believe in it, and that in whatever form it comes, it is being actually run by others who certainly don't believe in it but nonetheless find it a most convenient vehicle for their own agenda.

What a convoluted and absurd argument. To make any sense of it, there would have to be at least the appearance of socialism in our governments. That's where it falls stone dead. There is not one.
In this case I was talking about Globalists specifically, but you're quite right that it's ultimately satanic since you raise the subject.
Of course you think you're too clever to believe that, but that's your affair. If it sounds mad to you, then that is also your affair . I'm afraid I'm not saying things to be popular, otherwise I'd tell jokes or something, I'm saying things which are true and which are very important .

You endlessly seek to judge, but I'm afraid that , objectively,you're not actually in any position to do that.

A masterpiece of arrogance and a complete lack of self-awareness.

Going back to my first paragraph , the fact that you don't know any of that means that you went through the post war period without understanding, and probably not knowing , what was going on in the world. Your recent comment upon the Christine Keeler affair once again demonstrates that you swallow whatever the press tells you with such childlike naively that you're hardly a sound judge of anything.

So anyone who gets to different conclusions to yours is incapable of making a judgement. What a remarkable assertion. BTW wasn't the press. And once again, where do you get your information which you are so sure about?

Finally, your stuff about racism and hate or whatever it was is fucking nonsense. It's your only answer and indeed your default position when you can't argue a point and it makes no sense whatever. These are simply trendy words which can be bandied around but mean very little. I don't hate anyone or do any harm to other races, nor does Donald Trump. Simply raising a legitimate question does not become racism or hate because it involves some particular group .
I am not sure if that is naivety or dissemblance, but you cannot be as stupid as that. As with Farage, whether Trump is or is not racist, hardly matters. They know perfectly well that many people are, and they deliver messages which they know will chime with them. Like Farage, Trump is stoking up dissatisfaction and then pointing people to a group or groups they can blame as the cause. To masquerade that this is in pursuit of some noble cause is sickening.

If such groups are involved in the question, then it is as acceptable to say so as it would be if it concerned anyone else .

[finchman]

Hillman, keep it brief ffs,.....I for one cant be arsed reading through all that shit.

[kancutlawns]

[Hillman avenger]

"Trump doesn't want to do harm"...

How else would you describe forcible deportation of millions that he has promised? People who have invested homes , businesses, family and education in the US required to relocate to a country where they may never have lived.

What if they refuse to go? Will they be made to go at gunpoint?

[kancutlawns]

The martial law that certain quarters have ominously warned that will happen will probably be the process that expels them so it makes one wonder doesn't it?

[finchman]

This Calais problem has been created by leftie do gooding socialistic gobshites.If the French had acted when the first migrants started to set up their camp in Calais then they wouldnt have this problem of 10,000 of the fuckers causing mayhem.

What happened to applying for asylum? Ok we know this rule of applying in the first save country is a fucking joke,but these cunts in Calais are not interested in applying for asylum in France.The French government are not taking responsibility,they should process them,and send all the North African economic migrants back to fucking Africa .

Years of soft rule has cunted France,why cant the Hillmans of this world see it?

Corbyn take note,left wing liberal politics dont fucking work.

[paolo]

Certain quarters just want them in.

Dilution

Mohammed is now the most popular name for baby boys.

They will see nothing wrong with that.