The Religion of Peace? (Part 2)

[Sadact7]

Nailed it Mr Heenan.

Some very fine points there

[Carlos J]

Similar to Bobby Heenan's posts have been posted many times to Roy Twing's posts. Rioy will reply his standard. He cares.

[kancutlawns]

Similar to Bobby Heenan's posts have been posted many times to Roy Twing's posts. Rioy will reply his standard. He cares.

Any mention from Roy about Adam Johnson?

[Carlos J]

Roy cares little about football, but cares about religion, kancut. Sadly his and my posts gone, but when Chelsea were playing in the Champions League final in 2012, most here where in the sports section. Roy Twing was floating his lone boat posting about Muslims.

If memory recalls, It was during extra time as well.

[kancutlawns]

Lol. Not much point asking about his views on the disproportionality of the number of adherants of the religion of peace in the professional game then. No doubt out there abusing our girls and filling out the prison cells with access to better cuisine.

Think Royston's a Blues fan, has mentioned his dislike of da Villa.

[Zambo]

Not defending muslims as I believe theres way too many of em here

'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 63381.html

As a Christian - all i can say is that it all requires perspective regarding the situation, culture, events and the times. Needs contextualisation

No surprises there for a number of reasons. For a start, what is the ratio, 10 times more violence in thee bible? Could be, as the bible is 10 times bigger than the Quran. Covers an older period as well.

[Roy Twing]

Another thing is sex abuse in the church and especially the Catholic Church. According to your logic Roy... It's something to do with Christianity as church clergy are massively over represented in religious clergy involved in sex abuse. I guess the little old lady who goes to church on a Sunday in a small town or village is just as guilty cos after all Roy you do seem to lump all the muslims into one category.

Before anyone else starts on me. I've criticised zionism and questioned holocaust but never have I attacked the Jewish faith and the Jewish people.

I did you the courtesy of actually addressing your points bob, perhaps you might try the same instead of comparing apples with pears - as per the usual tactics of your (newly) like-minded posters.

[Roy Twing]

Similar to Bobby Heenan's posts have been posted many times to Roy Twing's posts. Rioy will reply his standard. He cares.

Rather more than carlos' people eh, carlos?

nb - my 'standard reply' - if that's what you were actually trying to write, is to try to keep the thread on topic, - something perhaps a decent mod might try to do rather than making sniping posts?

[Roy Twing]

Lol. Not much point asking about his views on the disproportionality of the number of adherants of the religion of peace in the professional game then. No doubt out there abusing our girls and filling out the prison cells with access to better cuisine.

Think Royston's a Blues fan, has mentioned his dislike of da Villa.

1. By all means ask if you're interested.

2. The ultimate example of lawnmowerman not bothering to read what was written.

[Roy Twing]

Not defending muslims as I believe theres way too many of em here

'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 63381.html

As a Christian - all i can say is that it all requires perspective regarding the situation, culture, events and the times. Needs contextualisation

Seems you've become the unlikely champion of the cringing apologists on here (my enemy's enemy and all that) - well done.

Not sure what your'point' about the bible is meant to show though, - there is probably more violence in the beano (or was when I was a kid, but no doubt these days I may be wrong) - it still doesn't explain why muslims are so vastly over-represented in so many acts of 'incompatibility' - the opposite, in fact.

[kancutlawns]

Lol. Not much point asking about his views on the disproportionality of the number of adherants of the religion of peace in the professional game then. No doubt out there abusing our girls and filling out the prison cells with access to better cuisine.

Think Royston's a Blues fan, has mentioned his dislike of da Villa.

1. By all means ask if you're interested.

2. The ultimate example of lawnmowerman not bothering to read what was written.

1. No.
2. Err no.

[Roy Twing]

Lol. Not much point asking about his views on the disproportionality of the number of adherants of the religion of peace in the professional game then. No doubt out there abusing our girls and filling out the prison cells with access to better cuisine.

Think Royston's a Blues fan, has mentioned his dislike of da Villa.

1. By all means ask if you're interested.

2. The ultimate example of lawnmowerman not bothering to read what was written.

1. No.
2. Err no.

1. suit yourself, - if you'd rather continue snidely referring to me in third party so be it

2. err yes - I happen to support the villa (at least I was before I lost interest in that 'working class' game).

[Robert Heenan]

Not defending muslims as I believe theres way too many of em here

'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 63381.html

As a Christian - all i can say is that it all requires perspective regarding the situation, culture, events and the times. Needs contextualisation

Seems you've become the unlikely champion of the cringing apologists on here (my enemy's enemy and all that) - well done.

Not sure what your'point' about the bible is meant to show though, - there is probably more violence in the beano (or was when I was a kid, but no doubt these days I may be wrong) - it still doesn't explain why muslims are so vastly over-represented in so many acts of 'incompatibility' - the opposite, in fact.

Christians tend to be over represented in the abuse of young boys.

I'm no apologist. As someone who has studied religion intensively your tedious arguments come over as pathetic.

[Roy Twing]

Not defending muslims as I believe theres way too many of em here

'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 63381.html

As a Christian - all i can say is that it all requires perspective regarding the situation, culture, events and the times. Needs contextualisation

Seems you've become the unlikely champion of the cringing apologists on here (my enemy's enemy and all that) - well done.

Not sure what your'point' about the bible is meant to show though, - there is probably more violence in the beano (or was when I was a kid, but no doubt these days I may be wrong) - it still doesn't explain why muslims are so vastly over-represented in so many acts of 'incompatibility' - the opposite, in fact.

Christians tend to be over represented in the abuse of young boys.

I'm no apologist. As someone who has studied religion intensively your tedious arguments come over as pathetic.

Can you back up your claim regarding christians?

[Zambo]

Not sure what your'point' about the bible is meant to show though, - there is probably more violence in the beano (or was when I was a kid, but no doubt these days I may be wrong) - it still doesn't explain why muslims are so vastly over-represented in so many acts of 'incompatibility' - the opposite, in fact.

That Biffo the Bear was a right cunt, not to mention Plug in the Bash St kids.

[Robert Heenan]

Not defending muslims as I believe theres way too many of em here

'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 63381.html

As a Christian - all i can say is that it all requires perspective regarding the situation, culture, events and the times. Needs contextualisation

Seems you've become the unlikely champion of the cringing apologists on here (my enemy's enemy and all that) - well done.

Not sure what your'point' about the bible is meant to show though, - there is probably more violence in the beano (or was when I was a kid, but no doubt these days I may be wrong) - it still doesn't explain why muslims are so vastly over-represented in so many acts of 'incompatibility' - the opposite, in fact.

Christians tend to be over represented in the abuse of young boys.

I'm no apologist. As someone who has studied religion intensively your tedious arguments come over as pathetic.

Can you back up your claim regarding christians?

The church of England, Catholic Church, elm guest house etc not to mention most news articles I see regarding abuse of boys is perpetrated by Christians.

Roy, by your logic if the various Christian churches are involved in paedophilia then would you say that Christianity condones paedophilia and child abuse?

[Roy Twing]

As good old caring carlos will no doubt agree, I’ve responded to this false comparison so often it’s frustratingly repetitious.

1. As those of a christian background account for the vast majority of the population, on any given topic, those of a christian background should always be the most frequently represented.
2. The instances of catholic priests, along with perhaps other areas where those with certain disgusting predilections might gravitate (scout masters; school teachers etc) are well documented and perhaps unsurprising. This observation will probably go over your head but the muslims committing these atrocities are not the equivalents of priests or teachers, - they’re supposedly ‘ordinary’ muslims from all walks of life.
3. These instances of the reasons why priests, scoutmasters etc commit such crimes have been well documented and explored, - my whole point is that such scrutiny remains absent from any mainstream (and talkforum) debate regarding on-street grooming and other muslim ‘incompatibilities’.

The answers above cover your straw man arguments.
We remain with the question as to why a group of people from a muslim background, (which thankfully still only amounts to 4 or 5% of the total population) commit the vast majority of certain paedophilic sex crimes?
As ever, it is a question of proportionality, - it would be refreshing if someone from the apologist side would ever try to address that for once. You may try by all means bob, unless you are that wind up merchant I still suspect you are.

[Ralph]

As good old caring carlos will no doubt agree, I’ve responded to this false comparison so often it’s frustratingly repetitious.

1. As those of a christian background account for the vast majority of the population, on any given topic, those of a christian background should always be the most frequently represented.
2. The instances of catholic priests, along with perhaps other areas where those with certain disgusting predilections might gravitate (scout masters; school teachers etc) are well documented and perhaps unsurprising. This observation will probably go over your head but the muslims committing these atrocities are not the equivalents of priests or teachers, - they’re supposedly ‘ordinary’ muslims from all walks of life.
3. These instances of the reasons why priests, scoutmasters etc commit such crimes have been well documented and explored, - my whole point is that such scrutiny remains absent from any mainstream (and talkforum) debate regarding on-street grooming and other muslim ‘incompatibilities’.

The answers above cover your straw man arguments.
We remain with the question as to why a group of people from a muslim background, (which thankfully still only amounts to 4 or 5% of the total population) commit the vast majority of certain paedophilic sex crimes?
As ever, it is a question of proportionality, - it would be refreshing if someone from the apologist side would ever try to address that for once. You may try by all means bob, unless you are that wind up merchant I still suspect you are.

I can understand why paedophiles might gravitate towards the priesthood but that doesn't explain the subsequent coverups that go right to the top & are carried out by people in the church who presumably aren't paedophiles. I've never heard anyone satisfactorily explain the motivation behind that.

[Ralph]

Not defending muslims as I believe theres way too many of em here

'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 63381.html

As a Christian - all i can say is that it all requires perspective regarding the situation, culture, events and the times. Needs contextualisation

Seems you've become the unlikely champion of the cringing apologists on here (my enemy's enemy and all that) - well done.

Not sure what your'point' about the bible is meant to show though, - there is probably more violence in the beano (or was when I was a kid, but no doubt these days I may be wrong) - it still doesn't explain why muslims are so vastly over-represented in so many acts of 'incompatibility' - the opposite, in fact.

You are. Read the Old Testament. Murder, rape, torture, infanticide, paedophilia, slavery etc. Pretty sure there's none of that in the Beano.

[Zambo]

You obviously haven't bought a copy lately then Ralph.

[Kowalski]

Most Christians thankfully don't take the Old Testament seriously anymore. That is why in the west they tend to be peaceful.

[Robert Heenan]

Most Christians thankfully don't take the Old Testament seriously anymore. That is why in the west they tend to be peaceful.

Still an integral part of the bible. New Testament has loads of violence and cruelty too.

[Robert Heenan]

Perspective and context is what required when it comes to religion and especially religious books.

[Ralph]

This is sinister.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/f ... are_btn_tw

[Zambo]

This is sinister.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/f ... are_btn_tw

Then they need to change their guidelines sharpish. It is everyone's moral duty to report abuse, but to actually have it in their job descriptions that it is 'not necessarily their duty' is a disgrace.