The Religion of Peace? (Part 2)

[Kowalski]

Going after a family resort like Disneyland in Paris, pure evil.

[m4rkb]

The apologists will be asking how do we know he intended to kill anyone.

Second point: - this has nothing to do with Islam. Obviously.

Third point: - This is all going badly wrong. Only more burying our heads in the sand and other delusions can help pretend we're solving a serious problem here.

They told us one of the best ways forward in Europe was a single currency, they also told us the benefits of mass immigration for economic and cultural reasons. Well the first was an absolute disaster and the other an ongoing disaster.

Who in their right mind trusts the people in charge of Europe to deliver anything but more disaster.

[Roy Twing]

How anyone with any sense could put 2 groups of people together from 2 vastly different backgrounds – liberal democracies & islamic theocracies with monstrously different outlooks, and not expect disaster, is just beyond me.
It will keep on and on, and the apologists will keep on apologising (to the wrong side).

[m4rkb]

How anyone with any sense could put 2 groups of people together from 2 vastly different backgrounds – liberal democracies & islamic theocracies with monstrously different outlooks, and not expect disaster, is just beyond me.
It will keep on and on, and the apologists will keep on apologising (to the wrong side).

Well at least Trevor Phillips has partially called it right. Not sure what conclusions can be drawn that suggest any benefit though.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... llips.html

[Roy Twing]

Agree with you that he only partially got it right - he correctly recognises that islam is incompatible but seems to be implying that even so, it's somehow our fault.

[Lord Notin Kwestion]

Agree with you that he only partially got it right - he correctly recognises that islam is incompatible but seems to be implying that even so, it's somehow our fault.

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[colinthewarriormonkey]

This is how the BBC are reporting this today.

IE. They're not.

[Kowalski]

'My perfect daughter was stitched up': Father of British jihadi mother jailed for six years for taking toddler to Syria to join ISIS denounces 'Islamophobic' verdict and says she will 'devote herself even more to God'

Tareena Shakil, 26, fled for Syria because she wanted to live under sharia law

Mother took her toddler son and both were later pictured in ISIS balaclavas

Her father Mohammed claims daughter's conviction is a 'fix up' by officials

She was found guilty on Friday of joining ISIS and encouraging acts of terror


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... years.html

Her father sounds like a right loony, no wonder she joined ISIS.

[The Tick]

'My perfect daughter was stitched up': Father of British jihadi mother jailed for six years for taking toddler to Syria to join ISIS denounces 'Islamophobic' verdict and says she will 'devote herself even more to God'

Tareena Shakil, 26, fled for Syria because she wanted to live under sharia law

Mother took her toddler son and both were later pictured in ISIS balaclavas

Her father Mohammed claims daughter's conviction is a 'fix up' by officials

She was found guilty on Friday of joining ISIS and encouraging acts of terror


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... years.html

Her father sounds like a right loony, no wonder she joined ISIS.

She deserves locking up for being an utter bellend who watches The Only Way Is Essex (according to the Daily Fail).

[Kowalski]

Disgraceful sexism prevalent inside the Labour party;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35504185

Muslim women 'stopped being councillors by Muslim men'

A Muslim women's group has written to Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn claiming women have been stopped from becoming councillors by Muslim men in the party.

Muslim Women's Network UK demanded an inquiry into "systematic misogyny displayed by significant numbers of Muslim male local councillors".
"They don't like women to be heard, to be empowered," it told BBC Newsnight.

Labour said it had the best record of any of the parties in selecting female and ethnic minority candidates.

As Mr Corbyn prepared to speak to the Association of Labour Councillors on Saturday, BBC Newsnight spoke to about a dozen Muslim women up and down the country.

'Smear campaign'

They appeared to point to a pattern of obstruction from within Labour Muslim ranks and back up Muslim Women's Network UK's complaints of sabotage.

Optician Fozia Parveen claims her efforts to become a Labour councillor in Birmingham in 2008 were scuppered by men within the party.
She said: "At the time, I was aware of a smear campaign against me.

"They said that I was having an affair with one of the existing councillors.

Ms Parveen said Muslim men told her mother to stop her from pursuing becoming a councillor.

She added: "It would be members of the local Labour Party. I didn't see them myself but my mum did say it was them."

Shazia Bashir was the first choice for Labour in a seat in Peterborough in 2007.

She claims that when her father said he would not support her, Muslim men from within the local Labour Party made her step aside. They deny the claim.

"Because I didn't have my father's consent and support, I had to step down. I was pressured into stepping down," said Ms Bashir, who was 31 and married with two children at the time.



"I was quite taken aback. People were turning up at my family home trying to intimidate my mum."

[DasBoot]

'My perfect daughter was stitched up': Father of British jihadi mother jailed for six years for taking toddler to Syria to join ISIS denounces 'Islamophobic' verdict and says she will 'devote herself even more to God'

Tareena Shakil, 26, fled for Syria because she wanted to live under sharia law

Mother took her toddler son and both were later pictured in ISIS balaclavas

Her father Mohammed claims daughter's conviction is a 'fix up' by officials

She was found guilty on Friday of joining ISIS and encouraging acts of terror

She looks a lot better when you can see her hair

[Roy Twing]

Painfully slowly, the establishment is having to admit, kicking and screaming, what we already know:

'But we should not get away from the fact that gangs of Muslim men are going round and raping white kids at this moment in time.
'That is an horrendous thing to say, but it is the fact of what is happening. I want to explore some of the state's agencies' behaviour towards that, and some of the community's associated behaviour and culture.'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... YEARS.html

[Robert Heenan]

Painfully slowly, the establishment is having to admit, kicking and screaming, what we already know:

'But we should not get away from the fact that gangs of Muslim men are going round and raping white kids at this moment in time.
'That is an horrendous thing to say, but it is the fact of what is happening. I want to explore some of the state's agencies' behaviour towards that, and some of the community's associated behaviour and culture.'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... YEARS.html

Im not a fan of muslims but i can assure you their religion has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Saying their religion and culture has something to do with the rape - well you might as well blame the possible toxic effects of eating samosas

[AlcoholBrazil]

Depends on how each individual interprets the koran . There are texts that gives the thumbs up to subjugate Apostates sexually .
However it is on the conscience of each individual whether they act on it.

[Roy Twing]

Painfully slowly, the establishment is having to admit, kicking and screaming, what we already know:

'But we should not get away from the fact that gangs of Muslim men are going round and raping white kids at this moment in time.
'That is an horrendous thing to say, but it is the fact of what is happening. I want to explore some of the state's agencies' behaviour towards that, and some of the community's associated behaviour and culture.'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... YEARS.html

Im not a fan of muslims but i can assure you their religion has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Saying their religion and culture has something to do with the rape - well you might as well blame the possible toxic effects of eating samosas

Strange analogy, and even stranger conclusion.
Perhaps you can therefore otherwise explain the predilection of such a vastly over-represented number of muslim men for under age non-muslim girls, other than a result of their culture/religion?

[m4rkb]

I notice it took an Asian MP to tell the truth - again. I presume all the white apologists are stuck in a state of permanent denial.

[Robert Heenan]

Painfully slowly, the establishment is having to admit, kicking and screaming, what we already know:

'But we should not get away from the fact that gangs of Muslim men are going round and raping white kids at this moment in time.
'That is an horrendous thing to say, but it is the fact of what is happening. I want to explore some of the state's agencies' behaviour towards that, and some of the community's associated behaviour and culture.'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... YEARS.html

Im not a fan of muslims but i can assure you their religion has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Saying their religion and culture has something to do with the rape - well you might as well blame the possible toxic effects of eating samosas

Strange analogy, and even stranger conclusion.
Perhaps you can therefore otherwise explain the predilection of such a vastly over-represented number of muslim men for under age non-muslim girls, other than a result of their culture/religion?

There are asian gangs grooming young white girls for sex. The problem with you Roy is you are hijacking alcohol and drug abusing young asian men raping white girls as an excuse to attack the "muslims".

Its like British men that go to philipines to sexually abuse kids - is the culture/religion the cause?

What about the paedophillia in the establishment and BBC not to mention Elm Guest House?

What about the paedophillia in the Church? Is religion to play a part in that?

What about this:

'Vile and depraved' UK gang raped and abused babies

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502

Is religion and psyche of white Englishmen like that?

[m4rkb]

There is a growing problem with Muslim gangs in general regardless of which crime we happen to be referring to at the time. This is why there is a huge disproportion of Muslims in jail at the moment.

They all stick together under a type of 'brotherhood' with their religion as the common theme. A bit like being black for those savage knife and post code gangs. They may not be practicing muslims to the point they pray five times a day and they may also have alcohol and drug habits but they definitely class themselves as muslims.

I know one who's got a right habit for whisky and lines of coke, and most of his mates are the same, but otherwise is very much a practicing muslim , and as you say there's lots more, so don't think a couple of vices like that is enough to claim no religious connection.

With the whites raping babies, there is probably no religious association at all beyond those boxes we feel obliged to tick on official forms and they are not over represented by the same family either.

[Robert Heenan]

There is a growing problem with Muslim gangs in general regardless of which crime we happen to be referring to at the time. This is why there is a huge disproportion of Muslims in jail at the moment.

They all stick together under a type of 'brotherhood' with their religion as the common theme. A bit like being black for those savage knife and post code gangs. They may not be practicing muslims to the point they pray five times a day and they may also have alcohol and drug habits but they definitely class themselves as muslims.

I know one who's got a right habit for whisky and lines of coke, and most of his mates are the same, but otherwise is very much a practicing muslim , and as you say there's lots more, so don't think a couple of vices like that is enough to claim no religious connection.

With the whites raping babies, there is probably no religious association at all beyond those boxes we feel obliged to tick on official forms and they are not over represented by the same family either.

I fully agree about the problem of many asian grooming gangs but there is also an underlying problem which i get absolutely pillored for and been banned from many a forum for. There are simply way too many ethnics and muslims in this country. My real concern is the changing cultural character and identity of our land

[m4rkb]

The same fear has spread like wildfire across Europe now. Our politicians seem determined to commit cultural suicide. Only those countries from current and the former communist block seem to have their heads screwed on by saying NO on behalf of their people.

I saw an interesting report yesterday on Al Jazeera of all places reporting many migrants now want to go back home to Iraq. Maybe / hopefully is true but fuckers from dumps like the Sudan and north Africa won't be doing it. The world's rubbish know which side their bread is buttered and are virtually unemployable en masse. All they will do is breed as many kids as they want to further their lives on benefits while honest workers are expected to pay for it.

This, I fear is the way the demographic will change us the most.

[AlcoholBrazil]

The ruling classes know they can push us as much as they like. It is not the the British DNA to create an "Marie Antoinette" or "Tsarina "
moment that will make the populus march enmasse to the Commons with murder on their minds.

[Roy Twing]

There are asian gangs grooming young white girls for sex. The problem with you Roy is you are hijacking alcohol and drug abusing young asian men raping white girls as an excuse to attack the "muslims".

Its like British men that go to philipines to sexually abuse kids - is the culture/religion the cause?

What about the paedophillia in the establishment and BBC not to mention Elm Guest House?

What about the paedophillia in the Church? Is religion to play a part in that?

What about this:

'Vile and depraved' UK gang raped and abused babies

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502

Is religion and psyche of white Englishmen like that?

No offence intended, but I tend to avoid engaging with you Robert, as your previous style, together with reputation and bans, suggests you are something of a wind up merchant. Also, on this topic, I may be mistaken but your recent posts appear to contradict your previous stances on some issues, which is puzzling.
Having said that, I always try to respond to sensible posts which are directed at me and I can’t ignore the fact that you’ve made some good points.
Firstly, - they are not ‘asian’ gangs, - they are overwhelmingly muslim – it is quite simple, and quite simply as I keep saying – it is offensive to other ‘asian’ religions and those from non-muslim parts of asia to group them thus.
It is not only british men that go to certain parts of the world for the purpose you state – it is fairly obvious that it is the lawlessness of those notorious areas that attract such deviants from everywhere and anywhere.
The other ‘examples’ you give are part and parcel of the ‘usual’ disgusting underbelly of society, - the bottom line is that muslims are vastly, massively over-represented in cases of on-street grooming, and no-one from the apologist side of the fence (including those who appear newly converted to this cause) seems to want to explain why that is the case.
By all means prove me wrong in my various opinions (of both your motives and muslims’ causal motivations).

[Robert Heenan]

There are asian gangs grooming young white girls for sex. The problem with you Roy is you are hijacking alcohol and drug abusing young asian men raping white girls as an excuse to attack the "muslims".

Its like British men that go to philipines to sexually abuse kids - is the culture/religion the cause?

What about the paedophillia in the establishment and BBC not to mention Elm Guest House?

What about the paedophillia in the Church? Is religion to play a part in that?

What about this:

'Vile and depraved' UK gang raped and abused babies

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502

Is religion and psyche of white Englishmen like that?

No offence intended, but I tend to avoid engaging with you Robert, as your previous style, together with reputation and bans, suggests you are something of a wind up merchant. Also, on this topic, I may be mistaken but your recent posts appear to contradict your previous stances on some issues, which is puzzling.
Having said that, I always try to respond to sensible posts which are directed at me and I can’t ignore the fact that you’ve made some good points.
Firstly, - they are not ‘asian’ gangs, - they are overwhelmingly muslim – it is quite simple, and quite simply as I keep saying – it is offensive to other ‘asian’ religions and those from non-muslim parts of asia to group them thus.
It is not only british men that go to certain parts of the world for the purpose you state – it is fairly obvious that it is the lawlessness of those notorious areas that attract such deviants from everywhere and anywhere.
The other ‘examples’ you give are part and parcel of the ‘usual’ disgusting underbelly of society, - the bottom line is that muslims are vastly, massively over-represented in cases of on-street grooming, and no-one from the apologist side of the fence (including those who appear newly converted to this cause) seems to want to explain why that is the case.
By all means prove me wrong in my various opinions (of both your motives and muslims’ causal motivations).

Im not concerned about what you think about me. I dont understand what you mean by my posts contradict my previous stances on some issues.

It is you Mr Twing that contradicts yourself when you say that "lawlessness of those notorious areas that attract such deviants from everywhere and anywhere". Couldent the same be said regarding paedophile networks in this country?

An example:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... ation.html

Couldent it be said that grooming and exploitation of young girls can occur by men of any race, religion or ethnicity.

Elm Guest House and Haut De La Garenne seems to be exclusively "white christian"

Another example again

'Vile and depraved' UK gang raped and abused babies

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32413502

Or the Daily Mails sensationalist headline

A paedophile ring broadcast live online video of their abuse of drugged babies and toddlers

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3zlatSliH


You saying its something to do with their "Christian" religion and culture?

Ive never really got into these kind of threads before because although its a very serious issue - i do find it a stupid thread because theres paedophiles and grooming amongst all races and people of various religions and ethnicities.

[Robert Heenan]

Another thing is sex abuse in the church and especially the Catholic Church. According to your logic Roy... It's something to do with Christianity as church clergy are massively over represented in religious clergy involved in sex abuse. I guess the little old lady who goes to church on a Sunday in a small town or village is just as guilty cos after all Roy you do seem to lump all the muslims into one category.

Before anyone else starts on me. I've criticised zionism and questioned holocaust but never have I attacked the Jewish faith and the Jewish people.

[Robert Heenan]

Not defending muslims as I believe theres way too many of em here

'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 63381.html

As a Christian - all i can say is that it all requires perspective regarding the situation, culture, events and the times. Needs contextualisation