The Religion of Peace? (Part 2)

[Roy Twing]

Fear and intimidation plus the risk of losing their job if they speak out. It's the perfect recipe to allow this to thrive which it does.

You are quite correct though. Even with the North East's minuscule Islamic population compared to other UK regions , it is a problem everywhere they exist.

I'm not sure what the muslim population is in that area generally, but from what I saw, I wouldn't call it minuscule.
It is depressing though, that after all these years, where the damning evidence of muslim grooming of young white girls has been mounting incessantly, the MSM (and its brainwashed acolytes on here) still refuse to acknowledge and therefore discuss the elephant in the room.

[Sid Pervcat]

Have to be honest. I do not have much knowledge of The Quran. But have heard mention that it says in it that Muslims can lie/deceive to non-Muslims. Any truth in this or not? If so could someone please be kind enough to point it out. Like as in proof or not.

Thanks.

It's called Taqiyya. The acceptance of telling lies in order to propogate Islam further.

The biggest one I can think of is calling it the Religion of Peace but that's not how it is supposed to work in fairness. Like most things, it's a double edged sword eg denying your a christian if someone was about to cut your head off for being a Christian. But to purists it also means pretending to befriend infidels in order to get a foothold in their country then demanding it all change to Islam when the numbers are enough to do it by force.

Islam's history is growth by violent subjugation whereas Christianity has grown through the peaceful way it conducts itself with genuine tolerance towards others.

What, like the Crusades?

[kancutlawns]

Have to be honest. I do not have much knowledge of The Quran. But have heard mention that it says in it that Muslims can lie/deceive to non-Muslims. Any truth in this or not? If so could someone please be kind enough to point it out. Like as in proof or not.

Thanks.

It's called Taqiyya. The acceptance of telling lies in order to propogate Islam further.

The biggest one I can think of is calling it the Religion of Peace but that's not how it is supposed to work in fairness. Like most things, it's a double edged sword eg denying your a christian if someone was about to cut your head off for being a Christian. But to purists it also means pretending to befriend infidels in order to get a foothold in their country then demanding it all change to Islam when the numbers are enough to do it by force.

Islam's history is growth by violent subjugation whereas Christianity has grown through the peaceful way it conducts itself with genuine tolerance towards others.

What, like the Crusades?

Or the Spanish Inquisition.

[Royal24s]

Have to be honest. I do not have much knowledge of The Quran. But have heard mention that it says in it that Muslims can lie/deceive to non-Muslims. Any truth in this or not? If so could someone please be kind enough to point it out. Like as in proof or not.

Thanks.

It's called Taqiyya. The acceptance of telling lies in order to propogate Islam further.

The biggest one I can think of is calling it the Religion of Peace but that's not how it is supposed to work in fairness. Like most things, it's a double edged sword eg denying your a christian if someone was about to cut your head off for being a Christian. But to purists it also means pretending to befriend infidels in order to get a foothold in their country then demanding it all change to Islam when the numbers are enough to do it by force.

Islam's history is growth by violent subjugation whereas Christianity has grown through the peaceful way it conducts itself with genuine tolerance towards others.

What, like the Crusades?

No, because the Crusades were in the first place a response to Moslem inroads into Christian lands and , perhaps more importantly, a very very long time ago.
Christianity has moved on in the last thousand years and no longer considers it okay to kill non believers.
That's objective. Subjectively, I believe in Christianity and I don't believe in Islaam, and I'm therefore not going to try to justify the latter.
It is a strange aspect of modern society that there is so much self hate, and I find it mystifying why people are so keen to unfairly pin the blame for the barbarity of others upon everything British or American, whether it be our traditional religion or anything else about it.
By comparison with most other cultures we have achieved a great deal and contributed to the progress of mankind, and done comparatively very little to its detriment, yet truth is routinely turned on its head by this negative philosophy of despair.
If you look for improved standards from the cultures and countries which are so often held up as superior to ours, you simply will not find them.
If you have to travel back so far in history to vilify Christianity, should I hold a grudge against the Italians for persecuting Christians or invading Brittania in the days of Rome ?
Should I vilify modern day Germany or Japan for WW2, in which 11 members of my family lost their lives , and is consequently less remote to myself and many others ? Should anyone use that as a justification to murder civilians in those countries.
Of course not. It would be ridiculous.

How much more ridiculous is it, then, to quote events in remote history to disrespect our own culture and justify terrorist actions in the present day ?

[Lord Notin Kwestion]

Brilliant daily mail headline that encapsulates every mong-headed post in this thread.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... cting.html

[m4rkb]

Have to be honest. I do not have much knowledge of The Quran. But have heard mention that it says in it that Muslims can lie/deceive to non-Muslims. Any truth in this or not? If so could someone please be kind enough to point it out. Like as in proof or not.

Thanks.

It's called Taqiyya. The acceptance of telling lies in order to propogate Islam further.

The biggest one I can think of is calling it the Religion of Peace but that's not how it is supposed to work in fairness. Like most things, it's a double edged sword eg denying your a christian if someone was about to cut your head off for being a Christian. But to purists it also means pretending to befriend infidels in order to get a foothold in their country then demanding it all change to Islam when the numbers are enough to do it by force.

Islam's history is growth by violent subjugation whereas Christianity has grown through the peaceful way it conducts itself with genuine tolerance towards others.

What, like the Crusades?

No, because the Crusades were in the first place a response to Moslem inroads into Christian lands and , perhaps more importantly, a very very long time ago.
Christianity has moved on in the last thousand years and no longer considers it okay to kill non believers.
That's objective. Subjectively, I believe in Christianity and I don't believe in Islaam, and I'm therefore not going to try to justify the latter.
It is a strange aspect of modern society that there is so much self hate, and I find it mystifying why people are so keen to unfairly pin the blame for the barbarity of others upon everything British or American, whether it be our traditional religion or anything else about it.
By comparison with most other cultures we have achieved a great deal and contributed to the progress of mankind, and done comparatively very little to its detriment, yet truth is routinely turned on its head by this negative philosophy of despair.
If you look for improved standards from the cultures and countries which are so often held up as superior to ours, you simply will not find them.
If you have to travel back so far in history to vilify Christianity, should I hold a grudge against the Italians for persecuting Christians or invading Brittania in the days of Rome ?
Should I vilify modern day Germany or Japan for WW2, in which 11 members of my family lost their lives , and is consequently less remote to myself and many others ? Should anyone use that as a justification to murder civilians in those countries.
Of course not. It would be ridiculous.

How much more ridiculous is it, then, to quote events in remote history to disrespect our own culture and justify terrorist actions in the present day ?

I don't think there's a single person on the predictable side of who you'd expect to argue against any of that. A truly superb risposte Royals.

[warmleatherette]

Have to be honest. I do not have much knowledge of The Quran. But have heard mention that it says in it that Muslims can lie/deceive to non-Muslims. Any truth in this or not? If so could someone please be kind enough to point it out. Like as in proof or not.

Thanks.

It's called Taqiyya. The acceptance of telling lies in order to propogate Islam further.

The biggest one I can think of is calling it the Religion of Peace but that's not how it is supposed to work in fairness. Like most things, it's a double edged sword eg denying your a christian if someone was about to cut your head off for being a Christian. But to purists it also means pretending to befriend infidels in order to get a foothold in their country then demanding it all change to Islam when the numbers are enough to do it by force.

Islam's history is growth by violent subjugation whereas Christianity has grown through the peaceful way it conducts itself with genuine tolerance towards others.

What, like the Crusades?

No, because the Crusades were in the first place a response to Moslem inroads into Christian lands and , perhaps more importantly, a very very long time ago.
Christianity has moved on in the last thousand years and no longer considers it okay to kill non believers.
That's objective. Subjectively, I believe in Christianity and I don't believe in Islaam, and I'm therefore not going to try to justify the latter.
It is a strange aspect of modern society that there is so much self hate, and I find it mystifying why people are so keen to unfairly pin the blame for the barbarity of others upon everything British or American, whether it be our traditional religion or anything else about it.
By comparison with most other cultures we have achieved a great deal and contributed to the progress of mankind, and done comparatively very little to its detriment, yet truth is routinely turned on its head by this negative philosophy of despair.
If you look for improved standards from the cultures and countries which are so often held up as superior to ours, you simply will not find them.
If you have to travel back so far in history to vilify Christianity, should I hold a grudge against the Italians for persecuting Christians or invading Brittania in the days of Rome ?
Should I vilify modern day Germany or Japan for WW2, in which 11 members of my family lost their lives , and is consequently less remote to myself and many others ? Should anyone use that as a justification to murder civilians in those countries.
Of course not. It would be ridiculous.

How much more ridiculous is it, then, to quote events in remote history to disrespect our own culture and justify terrorist actions in the present day ?

I don't think there's a single person on the predictable side of who you'd expect to argue against any of that. A truly superb risposte Royals.

There is no argument, unless of course you start mentioning the Catholic church and their "standards" of behavior...

[Rossco]

They don't follow God.

They follow the same thing as the Muslims follow. Just in a different way IMO. It isn't God of The Holy Bible that much is clear.

The list is long if anyone wants it.

The Catholic Church pretty much practices everything God and Jesus said not to do.

But then again....well they are a bit weird to say the least. Don't care if a believer or not. That thing is just wrong looking I think most could agree.

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[Royal24s]

Have to be honest. I do not have much knowledge of The Quran. But have heard mention that it says in it that Muslims can lie/deceive to non-Muslims. Any truth in this or not? If so could someone please be kind enough to point it out. Like as in proof or not.

Thanks.

It's called Taqiyya. The acceptance of telling lies in order to propogate Islam further.

The biggest one I can think of is calling it the Religion of Peace but that's not how it is supposed to work in fairness. Like most things, it's a double edged sword eg denying your a christian if someone was about to cut your head off for being a Christian. But to purists it also means pretending to befriend infidels in order to get a foothold in their country then demanding it all change to Islam when the numbers are enough to do it by force.

Islam's history is growth by violent subjugation whereas Christianity has grown through the peaceful way it conducts itself with genuine tolerance towards others.

What, like the Crusades?

No, because the Crusades were in the first place a response to Moslem inroads into Christian lands and , perhaps more importantly, a very very long time ago.
Christianity has moved on in the last thousand years and no longer considers it okay to kill non believers.
That's objective. Subjectively, I believe in Christianity and I don't believe in Islaam, and I'm therefore not going to try to justify the latter.
It is a strange aspect of modern society that there is so much self hate, and I find it mystifying why people are so keen to unfairly pin the blame for the barbarity of others upon everything British or American, whether it be our traditional religion or anything else about it.
By comparison with most other cultures we have achieved a great deal and contributed to the progress of mankind, and done comparatively very little to its detriment, yet truth is routinely turned on its head by this negative philosophy of despair.
If you look for improved standards from the cultures and countries which are so often held up as superior to ours, you simply will not find them.
If you have to travel back so far in history to vilify Christianity, should I hold a grudge against the Italians for persecuting Christians or invading Brittania in the days of Rome ?
Should I vilify modern day Germany or Japan for WW2, in which 11 members of my family lost their lives , and is consequently less remote to myself and many others ? Should anyone use that as a justification to murder civilians in those countries.
Of course not. It would be ridiculous.

How much more ridiculous is it, then, to quote events in remote history to disrespect our own culture and justify terrorist actions in the present day ?

I don't think there's a single person on the predictable side of who you'd expect to argue against any of that. A truly superb risposte Royals.

There is no argument, unless of course you start mentioning the Catholic church and their "standards" of behavior...

Well, there you go again. Let's forget everything the Catholic Church has ever done for good. Let's ignore the millions of starving people fed, the sponsorship of pretty much all early science and mathematic in the West, the inconvenient fact that despite discouraging the causes it's the biggest contributor to AIDS charities. Let's ignore the priests and nuns , many of whom don't draw their salaries , working in poverty and suffering to help people in the hellholes of the world.
Let's concentrate on the misdeeds of some individuals and forget everything good about it.
If I were to mention the "standards" of Islam in that way, implying that all Moslems were bad, then the self haters would be screaming wouldn't they ?
Incidentally , there are lots of Christians who are not Catholics, and there are lots of Catholics who disapprove of the current Jesuit / socialist Pope to the point where they no longer take mass.
Rosscos comments upon this are noted and meritorious .
In short, this is just another slightly altered variant of what I noted above.

If you can find any country or institution run by mortal men which is perfect, I congratulate you, but until any of the barbaric philosophies which this self hate tendency bolsters can show that they have achieved more than our own, I will not bow to them.

[m4 colin]

In my opinion the last real pope was John Paul I I think all the subsequent Popes were either scared into turning a blind eye or complicit I dont know how deep the Lucifarian corruption goes
probably at least as deep as it is in politics

[Roy Twing]

perhaps more importantly, a very very long time ago.
Christianity has moved on in the last thousand years and no longer considers it okay to kill non believers.

As usual, a great post, but the above is certainly the nub of the matter, and one that the hand-wringers can't seem to grasp.

There is a huge number of those who follow islam who think and behave in the same barbaric way that christians did six or seven hundred years ago.

The problem is that we're being forced to endure the pain of their transition into civility, a pain that we are entitled to think was in the dim & distant past.

[warmleatherette]

Have to be honest. I do not have much knowledge of The Quran. But have heard mention that it says in it that Muslims can lie/deceive to non-Muslims. Any truth in this or not? If so could someone please be kind enough to point it out. Like as in proof or not.

Thanks.

It's called Taqiyya. The acceptance of telling lies in order to propogate Islam further.

The biggest one I can think of is calling it the Religion of Peace but that's not how it is supposed to work in fairness. Like most things, it's a double edged sword eg denying your a christian if someone was about to cut your head off for being a Christian. But to purists it also means pretending to befriend infidels in order to get a foothold in their country then demanding it all change to Islam when the numbers are enough to do it by force.

Islam's history is growth by violent subjugation whereas Christianity has grown through the peaceful way it conducts itself with genuine tolerance towards others.

What, like the Crusades?

No, because the Crusades were in the first place a response to Moslem inroads into Christian lands and , perhaps more importantly, a very very long time ago.
Christianity has moved on in the last thousand years and no longer considers it okay to kill non believers.
That's objective. Subjectively, I believe in Christianity and I don't believe in Islaam, and I'm therefore not going to try to justify the latter.
It is a strange aspect of modern society that there is so much self hate, and I find it mystifying why people are so keen to unfairly pin the blame for the barbarity of others upon everything British or American, whether it be our traditional religion or anything else about it.
By comparison with most other cultures we have achieved a great deal and contributed to the progress of mankind, and done comparatively very little to its detriment, yet truth is routinely turned on its head by this negative philosophy of despair.
If you look for improved standards from the cultures and countries which are so often held up as superior to ours, you simply will not find them.
If you have to travel back so far in history to vilify Christianity, should I hold a grudge against the Italians for persecuting Christians or invading Brittania in the days of Rome ?
Should I vilify modern day Germany or Japan for WW2, in which 11 members of my family lost their lives , and is consequently less remote to myself and many others ? Should anyone use that as a justification to murder civilians in those countries.
Of course not. It would be ridiculous.

How much more ridiculous is it, then, to quote events in remote history to disrespect our own culture and justify terrorist actions in the present day ?

I don't think there's a single person on the predictable side of who you'd expect to argue against any of that. A truly superb risposte Royals.

There is no argument, unless of course you start mentioning the Catholic church and their "standards" of behavior...

Well, there you go again. Let's forget everything the Catholic Church has ever done for good. Let's ignore the millions of starving people fed, the sponsorship of pretty much all early science and mathematic in the West, the inconvenient fact that despite discouraging the causes it's the biggest contributor to AIDS charities. Let's ignore the priests and nuns , many of whom don't draw their salaries , working in poverty and suffering to help people in the hellholes of the world.
Let's concentrate on the misdeeds of some individuals and forget everything good about it.
If I were to mention the "standards" of Islam in that way, implying that all Moslems were bad, then the self haters would be screaming wouldn't they ?
Incidentally , there are lots of Christians who are not Catholics, and there are lots of Catholics who disapprove of the current Jesuit / socialist Pope to the point where they no longer take mass.
Rosscos comments upon this are noted and meritorious .
In short, this is just another slightly altered variant of what I noted above.

If you can find any country or institution run by mortal men which is perfect, I congratulate you, but until any of the barbaric philosophies which this self hate tendency bolsters can show that they have achieved more than our own, I will not bow to them.

The point is you can name any religion you care to and I can point out that right now people are being killed in the name of it somewhere today, there's no need to look back at history to try and justify why, it's still happening, the link isn't which religion, the link religion and people "bowing".

[Roy Twing]

It's called Taqiyya. The acceptance of telling lies in order to propogate Islam further.

The biggest one I can think of is calling it the Religion of Peace but that's not how it is supposed to work in fairness. Like most things, it's a double edged sword eg denying your a christian if someone was about to cut your head off for being a Christian. But to purists it also means pretending to befriend infidels in order to get a foothold in their country then demanding it all change to Islam when the numbers are enough to do it by force.

Islam's history is growth by violent subjugation whereas Christianity has grown through the peaceful way it conducts itself with genuine tolerance towards others.

What, like the Crusades?

No, because the Crusades were in the first place a response to Moslem inroads into Christian lands and , perhaps more importantly, a very very long time ago.
Christianity has moved on in the last thousand years and no longer considers it okay to kill non believers.
That's objective. Subjectively, I believe in Christianity and I don't believe in Islaam, and I'm therefore not going to try to justify the latter.
It is a strange aspect of modern society that there is so much self hate, and I find it mystifying why people are so keen to unfairly pin the blame for the barbarity of others upon everything British or American, whether it be our traditional religion or anything else about it.
By comparison with most other cultures we have achieved a great deal and contributed to the progress of mankind, and done comparatively very little to its detriment, yet truth is routinely turned on its head by this negative philosophy of despair.
If you look for improved standards from the cultures and countries which are so often held up as superior to ours, you simply will not find them.
If you have to travel back so far in history to vilify Christianity, should I hold a grudge against the Italians for persecuting Christians or invading Brittania in the days of Rome ?
Should I vilify modern day Germany or Japan for WW2, in which 11 members of my family lost their lives , and is consequently less remote to myself and many others ? Should anyone use that as a justification to murder civilians in those countries.
Of course not. It would be ridiculous.

How much more ridiculous is it, then, to quote events in remote history to disrespect our own culture and justify terrorist actions in the present day ?

I don't think there's a single person on the predictable side of who you'd expect to argue against any of that. A truly superb risposte Royals.

There is no argument, unless of course you start mentioning the Catholic church and their "standards" of behavior...

Well, there you go again. Let's forget everything the Catholic Church has ever done for good. Let's ignore the millions of starving people fed, the sponsorship of pretty much all early science and mathematic in the West, the inconvenient fact that despite discouraging the causes it's the biggest contributor to AIDS charities. Let's ignore the priests and nuns , many of whom don't draw their salaries , working in poverty and suffering to help people in the hellholes of the world.
Let's concentrate on the misdeeds of some individuals and forget everything good about it.
If I were to mention the "standards" of Islam in that way, implying that all Moslems were bad, then the self haters would be screaming wouldn't they ?
Incidentally , there are lots of Christians who are not Catholics, and there are lots of Catholics who disapprove of the current Jesuit / socialist Pope to the point where they no longer take mass.
Rosscos comments upon this are noted and meritorious .
In short, this is just another slightly altered variant of what I noted above.

If you can find any country or institution run by mortal men which is perfect, I congratulate you, but until any of the barbaric philosophies which this self hate tendency bolsters can show that they have achieved more than our own, I will not bow to them.

The point is you can name any religion you care to and I can point out that right now people are being killed in the name of it somewhere today, there's no need to look back at history to try and justify why, it's still happening, the link isn't which religion, the link religion and people "bowing".

Do you, hand on heart, truly believe that atrocities committed by muslims worldwide today, are no more heinous or numerous than such acts committed by other religions?

[m4 colin]

It's called Taqiyya. The acceptance of telling lies in order to propogate Islam further.

The biggest one I can think of is calling it the Religion of Peace but that's not how it is supposed to work in fairness. Like most things, it's a double edged sword eg denying your a christian if someone was about to cut your head off for being a Christian. But to purists it also means pretending to befriend infidels in order to get a foothold in their country then demanding it all change to Islam when the numbers are enough to do it by force.

Islam's history is growth by violent subjugation whereas Christianity has grown through the peaceful way it conducts itself with genuine tolerance towards others.

What, like the Crusades?

No, because the Crusades were in the first place a response to Moslem inroads into Christian lands and , perhaps more importantly, a very very long time ago.
Christianity has moved on in the last thousand years and no longer considers it okay to kill non believers.
That's objective. Subjectively, I believe in Christianity and I don't believe in Islaam, and I'm therefore not going to try to justify the latter.
It is a strange aspect of modern society that there is so much self hate, and I find it mystifying why people are so keen to unfairly pin the blame for the barbarity of others upon everything British or American, whether it be our traditional religion or anything else about it.
By comparison with most other cultures we have achieved a great deal and contributed to the progress of mankind, and done comparatively very little to its detriment, yet truth is routinely turned on its head by this negative philosophy of despair.
If you look for improved standards from the cultures and countries which are so often held up as superior to ours, you simply will not find them.
If you have to travel back so far in history to vilify Christianity, should I hold a grudge against the Italians for persecuting Christians or invading Brittania in the days of Rome ?
Should I vilify modern day Germany or Japan for WW2, in which 11 members of my family lost their lives , and is consequently less remote to myself and many others ? Should anyone use that as a justification to murder civilians in those countries.
Of course not. It would be ridiculous.

How much more ridiculous is it, then, to quote events in remote history to disrespect our own culture and justify terrorist actions in the present day ?

I don't think there's a single person on the predictable side of who you'd expect to argue against any of that. A truly superb risposte Royals.

There is no argument, unless of course you start mentioning the Catholic church and their "standards" of behavior...

Well, there you go again. Let's forget everything the Catholic Church has ever done for good. Let's ignore the millions of starving people fed, the sponsorship of pretty much all early science and mathematic in the West, the inconvenient fact that despite discouraging the causes it's the biggest contributor to AIDS charities. Let's ignore the priests and nuns , many of whom don't draw their salaries , working in poverty and suffering to help people in the hellholes of the world.
Let's concentrate on the misdeeds of some individuals and forget everything good about it.
If I were to mention the "standards" of Islam in that way, implying that all Moslems were bad, then the self haters would be screaming wouldn't they ?
Incidentally , there are lots of Christians who are not Catholics, and there are lots of Catholics who disapprove of the current Jesuit / socialist Pope to the point where they no longer take mass.
Rosscos comments upon this are noted and meritorious .
In short, this is just another slightly altered variant of what I noted above.

If you can find any country or institution run by mortal men which is perfect, I congratulate you, but until any of the barbaric philosophies which this self hate tendency bolsters can show that they have achieved more than our own, I will not bow to them.

The point is you can name any religion you care to and I can point out that right now people are being killed in the name of it somewhere today, there's no need to look back at history to try and justify why, it's still happening, the link isn't which religion, the link religion and people "bowing".

How about Jane's

[warmleatherette]

What, like the Crusades?

No, because the Crusades were in the first place a response to Moslem inroads into Christian lands and , perhaps more importantly, a very very long time ago.
Christianity has moved on in the last thousand years and no longer considers it okay to kill non believers.
That's objective. Subjectively, I believe in Christianity and I don't believe in Islaam, and I'm therefore not going to try to justify the latter.
It is a strange aspect of modern society that there is so much self hate, and I find it mystifying why people are so keen to unfairly pin the blame for the barbarity of others upon everything British or American, whether it be our traditional religion or anything else about it.
By comparison with most other cultures we have achieved a great deal and contributed to the progress of mankind, and done comparatively very little to its detriment, yet truth is routinely turned on its head by this negative philosophy of despair.
If you look for improved standards from the cultures and countries which are so often held up as superior to ours, you simply will not find them.
If you have to travel back so far in history to vilify Christianity, should I hold a grudge against the Italians for persecuting Christians or invading Brittania in the days of Rome ?
Should I vilify modern day Germany or Japan for WW2, in which 11 members of my family lost their lives , and is consequently less remote to myself and many others ? Should anyone use that as a justification to murder civilians in those countries.
Of course not. It would be ridiculous.

How much more ridiculous is it, then, to quote events in remote history to disrespect our own culture and justify terrorist actions in the present day ?

I don't think there's a single person on the predictable side of who you'd expect to argue against any of that. A truly superb risposte Royals.

There is no argument, unless of course you start mentioning the Catholic church and their "standards" of behavior...

Well, there you go again. Let's forget everything the Catholic Church has ever done for good. Let's ignore the millions of starving people fed, the sponsorship of pretty much all early science and mathematic in the West, the inconvenient fact that despite discouraging the causes it's the biggest contributor to AIDS charities. Let's ignore the priests and nuns , many of whom don't draw their salaries , working in poverty and suffering to help people in the hellholes of the world.
Let's concentrate on the misdeeds of some individuals and forget everything good about it.
If I were to mention the "standards" of Islam in that way, implying that all Moslems were bad, then the self haters would be screaming wouldn't they ?
Incidentally , there are lots of Christians who are not Catholics, and there are lots of Catholics who disapprove of the current Jesuit / socialist Pope to the point where they no longer take mass.
Rosscos comments upon this are noted and meritorious .
In short, this is just another slightly altered variant of what I noted above.

If you can find any country or institution run by mortal men which is perfect, I congratulate you, but until any of the barbaric philosophies which this self hate tendency bolsters can show that they have achieved more than our own, I will not bow to them.

The point is you can name any religion you care to and I can point out that right now people are being killed in the name of it somewhere today, there's no need to look back at history to try and justify why, it's still happening, the link isn't which religion, the link religion and people "bowing".

Do you, hand on heart, truly believe that atrocities committed by muslims worldwide today, are no more heinous or numerous than such acts committed by other religions?

More heinous? No, more numerous, right now in the West probably, but trying to justify how another one religion is somehow better than another using how long ago is plain nonsense, they're still killing and blowing people up in Ireland over religion, and if you were really interested in henious religious killings, right now Africa would be a good place to start if you want to compare actual numbers.

[Roy Twing]

No, because the Crusades were in the first place a response to Moslem inroads into Christian lands and , perhaps more importantly, a very very long time ago.
Christianity has moved on in the last thousand years and no longer considers it okay to kill non believers.
That's objective. Subjectively, I believe in Christianity and I don't believe in Islaam, and I'm therefore not going to try to justify the latter.
It is a strange aspect of modern society that there is so much self hate, and I find it mystifying why people are so keen to unfairly pin the blame for the barbarity of others upon everything British or American, whether it be our traditional religion or anything else about it.
By comparison with most other cultures we have achieved a great deal and contributed to the progress of mankind, and done comparatively very little to its detriment, yet truth is routinely turned on its head by this negative philosophy of despair.
If you look for improved standards from the cultures and countries which are so often held up as superior to ours, you simply will not find them.
If you have to travel back so far in history to vilify Christianity, should I hold a grudge against the Italians for persecuting Christians or invading Brittania in the days of Rome ?
Should I vilify modern day Germany or Japan for WW2, in which 11 members of my family lost their lives , and is consequently less remote to myself and many others ? Should anyone use that as a justification to murder civilians in those countries.
Of course not. It would be ridiculous.

How much more ridiculous is it, then, to quote events in remote history to disrespect our own culture and justify terrorist actions in the present day ?

I don't think there's a single person on the predictable side of who you'd expect to argue against any of that. A truly superb risposte Royals.

There is no argument, unless of course you start mentioning the Catholic church and their "standards" of behavior...

Well, there you go again. Let's forget everything the Catholic Church has ever done for good. Let's ignore the millions of starving people fed, the sponsorship of pretty much all early science and mathematic in the West, the inconvenient fact that despite discouraging the causes it's the biggest contributor to AIDS charities. Let's ignore the priests and nuns , many of whom don't draw their salaries , working in poverty and suffering to help people in the hellholes of the world.
Let's concentrate on the misdeeds of some individuals and forget everything good about it.
If I were to mention the "standards" of Islam in that way, implying that all Moslems were bad, then the self haters would be screaming wouldn't they ?
Incidentally , there are lots of Christians who are not Catholics, and there are lots of Catholics who disapprove of the current Jesuit / socialist Pope to the point where they no longer take mass.
Rosscos comments upon this are noted and meritorious .
In short, this is just another slightly altered variant of what I noted above.

If you can find any country or institution run by mortal men which is perfect, I congratulate you, but until any of the barbaric philosophies which this self hate tendency bolsters can show that they have achieved more than our own, I will not bow to them.

The point is you can name any religion you care to and I can point out that right now people are being killed in the name of it somewhere today, there's no need to look back at history to try and justify why, it's still happening, the link isn't which religion, the link religion and people "bowing".

Do you, hand on heart, truly believe that atrocities committed by muslims worldwide today, are no more heinous or numerous than such acts committed by other religions?

More heinous? No, more numerous, right now in the West probably, but trying to justify how another one religion is somehow better than another using how long ago is plain nonsense, they're still killing and blowing people up in Ireland over religion, and if you were really interested in henious religious killings, right now Africa would be a good place to start if you want to compare actual numbers.

No-one is saying that one religion is better or worse than another, - they are all ridiculous, and stem from a time of barbarism.
The point is, in the here and now, it is the followers of islam that remain rooted in those barbarous teachings who threaten our way of life.

NB – I wish I knew why so many people’s automatic response to criticism of islam is deflection, in this case by comparing the hellhole of Africa to what is happening in the western world, - I’m sure it makes them feel better though.

[warmleatherette]

I don't think there's a single person on the predictable side of who you'd expect to argue against any of that. A truly superb risposte Royals.

There is no argument, unless of course you start mentioning the Catholic church and their "standards" of behavior...

Well, there you go again. Let's forget everything the Catholic Church has ever done for good. Let's ignore the millions of starving people fed, the sponsorship of pretty much all early science and mathematic in the West, the inconvenient fact that despite discouraging the causes it's the biggest contributor to AIDS charities. Let's ignore the priests and nuns , many of whom don't draw their salaries , working in poverty and suffering to help people in the hellholes of the world.
Let's concentrate on the misdeeds of some individuals and forget everything good about it.
If I were to mention the "standards" of Islam in that way, implying that all Moslems were bad, then the self haters would be screaming wouldn't they ?
Incidentally , there are lots of Christians who are not Catholics, and there are lots of Catholics who disapprove of the current Jesuit / socialist Pope to the point where they no longer take mass.
Rosscos comments upon this are noted and meritorious .
In short, this is just another slightly altered variant of what I noted above.

If you can find any country or institution run by mortal men which is perfect, I congratulate you, but until any of the barbaric philosophies which this self hate tendency bolsters can show that they have achieved more than our own, I will not bow to them.

The point is you can name any religion you care to and I can point out that right now people are being killed in the name of it somewhere today, there's no need to look back at history to try and justify why, it's still happening, the link isn't which religion, the link religion and people "bowing".

Do you, hand on heart, truly believe that atrocities committed by muslims worldwide today, are no more heinous or numerous than such acts committed by other religions?

More heinous? No, more numerous, right now in the West probably, but trying to justify how another one religion is somehow better than another using how long ago is plain nonsense, they're still killing and blowing people up in Ireland over religion, and if you were really interested in henious religious killings, right now Africa would be a good place to start if you want to compare actual numbers.

No-one is saying that one religion is better or worse than another, - they are all ridiculous, and stem from a time of barbarism.
The point is, in the here and now, it is the followers of islam that remain rooted in those barbarous teachings who threaten our way of life.

NB – I wish I knew why so many people’s automatic response to criticism of islam is deflection, in this case by comparing the hellhole of Africa to what is happening in the western world, - I’m sure it makes them feel better though.

There's no deflection here, I'm an equal opportunities denouncer of all sky fairies and their followers.

[Rossco]

Think you all need to read or re-read the four Gospels in the Bible.

That is peace. How to do it. How to try to do it. We will all fall short of course but that is the way. To try our best.

Isn't really rocket science.

Jesus didn't have much time for religion BTW. So that should also be a big clue right there.

Strike a light folks.

[Rossco]

There is no argument, unless of course you start mentioning the Catholic church and their "standards" of behavior...

Well, there you go again. Let's forget everything the Catholic Church has ever done for good. Let's ignore the millions of starving people fed, the sponsorship of pretty much all early science and mathematic in the West, the inconvenient fact that despite discouraging the causes it's the biggest contributor to AIDS charities. Let's ignore the priests and nuns , many of whom don't draw their salaries , working in poverty and suffering to help people in the hellholes of the world.
Let's concentrate on the misdeeds of some individuals and forget everything good about it.
If I were to mention the "standards" of Islam in that way, implying that all Moslems were bad, then the self haters would be screaming wouldn't they ?
Incidentally , there are lots of Christians who are not Catholics, and there are lots of Catholics who disapprove of the current Jesuit / socialist Pope to the point where they no longer take mass.
Rosscos comments upon this are noted and meritorious .
In short, this is just another slightly altered variant of what I noted above.

If you can find any country or institution run by mortal men which is perfect, I congratulate you, but until any of the barbaric philosophies which this self hate tendency bolsters can show that they have achieved more than our own, I will not bow to them.

The point is you can name any religion you care to and I can point out that right now people are being killed in the name of it somewhere today, there's no need to look back at history to try and justify why, it's still happening, the link isn't which religion, the link religion and people "bowing".

Do you, hand on heart, truly believe that atrocities committed by muslims worldwide today, are no more heinous or numerous than such acts committed by other religions?

More heinous? No, more numerous, right now in the West probably, but trying to justify how another one religion is somehow better than another using how long ago is plain nonsense, they're still killing and blowing people up in Ireland over religion, and if you were really interested in henious religious killings, right now Africa would be a good place to start if you want to compare actual numbers.

No-one is saying that one religion is better or worse than another, - they are all ridiculous, and stem from a time of barbarism.
The point is, in the here and now, it is the followers of islam that remain rooted in those barbarous teachings who threaten our way of life.

NB – I wish I knew why so many people’s automatic response to criticism of islam is deflection, in this case by comparing the hellhole of Africa to what is happening in the western world, - I’m sure it makes them feel better though.

There's no deflection here, I'm an equal opportunities denouncer of all sky fairies and their followers.

Be smart. Be an agnostic if you aren't a believer. Because God is real as are demons. So yeah. Be smart dude. Just because nothing has happened to you doesn't mean something has happened to someone else who wasn't a believer and it rocked their world.

Don't be a dumb. Don't be an atheist.

I get agnostic. That is what I was before a very, very strange and eye opening experience. But never did nor never will get the atheist type. How can you prove God isn't real. They are daft them lot.

[Boris the Spider]

You can thank the Muslims for Maths and various early scientific advances. I think that's it.

[Roy Twing]

There is no argument, unless of course you start mentioning the Catholic church and their "standards" of behavior...

Well, there you go again. Let's forget everything the Catholic Church has ever done for good. Let's ignore the millions of starving people fed, the sponsorship of pretty much all early science and mathematic in the West, the inconvenient fact that despite discouraging the causes it's the biggest contributor to AIDS charities. Let's ignore the priests and nuns , many of whom don't draw their salaries , working in poverty and suffering to help people in the hellholes of the world.
Let's concentrate on the misdeeds of some individuals and forget everything good about it.
If I were to mention the "standards" of Islam in that way, implying that all Moslems were bad, then the self haters would be screaming wouldn't they ?
Incidentally , there are lots of Christians who are not Catholics, and there are lots of Catholics who disapprove of the current Jesuit / socialist Pope to the point where they no longer take mass.
Rosscos comments upon this are noted and meritorious .
In short, this is just another slightly altered variant of what I noted above.

If you can find any country or institution run by mortal men which is perfect, I congratulate you, but until any of the barbaric philosophies which this self hate tendency bolsters can show that they have achieved more than our own, I will not bow to them.

The point is you can name any religion you care to and I can point out that right now people are being killed in the name of it somewhere today, there's no need to look back at history to try and justify why, it's still happening, the link isn't which religion, the link religion and people "bowing".

Do you, hand on heart, truly believe that atrocities committed by muslims worldwide today, are no more heinous or numerous than such acts committed by other religions?

More heinous? No, more numerous, right now in the West probably, but trying to justify how another one religion is somehow better than another using how long ago is plain nonsense, they're still killing and blowing people up in Ireland over religion, and if you were really interested in henious religious killings, right now Africa would be a good place to start if you want to compare actual numbers.

No-one is saying that one religion is better or worse than another, - they are all ridiculous, and stem from a time of barbarism.
The point is, in the here and now, it is the followers of islam that remain rooted in those barbarous teachings who threaten our way of life.

NB – I wish I knew why so many people’s automatic response to criticism of islam is deflection, in this case by comparing the hellhole of Africa to what is happening in the western world, - I’m sure it makes them feel better though.

There's no deflection here, I'm an equal opportunities denouncer of all sky fairies and their followers.

If only the followers of mo white and the 70 virgins dragged themselves into the 21st century like much of the other fairy tale believers who impinge on our western lives, I would wholeheartedly agree with you.

[warmleatherette]

Well, there you go again. Let's forget everything the Catholic Church has ever done for good. Let's ignore the millions of starving people fed, the sponsorship of pretty much all early science and mathematic in the West, the inconvenient fact that despite discouraging the causes it's the biggest contributor to AIDS charities. Let's ignore the priests and nuns , many of whom don't draw their salaries , working in poverty and suffering to help people in the hellholes of the world.
Let's concentrate on the misdeeds of some individuals and forget everything good about it.
If I were to mention the "standards" of Islam in that way, implying that all Moslems were bad, then the self haters would be screaming wouldn't they ?
Incidentally , there are lots of Christians who are not Catholics, and there are lots of Catholics who disapprove of the current Jesuit / socialist Pope to the point where they no longer take mass.
Rosscos comments upon this are noted and meritorious .
In short, this is just another slightly altered variant of what I noted above.

If you can find any country or institution run by mortal men which is perfect, I congratulate you, but until any of the barbaric philosophies which this self hate tendency bolsters can show that they have achieved more than our own, I will not bow to them.

The point is you can name any religion you care to and I can point out that right now people are being killed in the name of it somewhere today, there's no need to look back at history to try and justify why, it's still happening, the link isn't which religion, the link religion and people "bowing".

Do you, hand on heart, truly believe that atrocities committed by muslims worldwide today, are no more heinous or numerous than such acts committed by other religions?

More heinous? No, more numerous, right now in the West probably, but trying to justify how another one religion is somehow better than another using how long ago is plain nonsense, they're still killing and blowing people up in Ireland over religion, and if you were really interested in henious religious killings, right now Africa would be a good place to start if you want to compare actual numbers.

No-one is saying that one religion is better or worse than another, - they are all ridiculous, and stem from a time of barbarism.
The point is, in the here and now, it is the followers of islam that remain rooted in those barbarous teachings who threaten our way of life.

NB – I wish I knew why so many people’s automatic response to criticism of islam is deflection, in this case by comparing the hellhole of Africa to what is happening in the western world, - I’m sure it makes them feel better though.

There's no deflection here, I'm an equal opportunities denouncer of all sky fairies and their followers.

Be smart. Be an agnostic if you aren't a believer. Because God is real as are demons. So yeah. Be smart dude. Just because nothing has happened to you doesn't mean something has happened to someone else who wasn't a believer and it rocked their world.

Don't be a dumb. Don't be an atheist.

I get agnostic. That is what I was before a very, very strange and eye opening experience. But never did nor never will get the atheist type. How can you prove God isn't real. They are daft them lot.

If I was going to align myself with anything it would be Pantheism, it has all the answers with none of the hate.

[Rossco]

The point is you can name any religion you care to and I can point out that right now people are being killed in the name of it somewhere today, there's no need to look back at history to try and justify why, it's still happening, the link isn't which religion, the link religion and people "bowing".

Do you, hand on heart, truly believe that atrocities committed by muslims worldwide today, are no more heinous or numerous than such acts committed by other religions?

More heinous? No, more numerous, right now in the West probably, but trying to justify how another one religion is somehow better than another using how long ago is plain nonsense, they're still killing and blowing people up in Ireland over religion, and if you were really interested in henious religious killings, right now Africa would be a good place to start if you want to compare actual numbers.

No-one is saying that one religion is better or worse than another, - they are all ridiculous, and stem from a time of barbarism.
The point is, in the here and now, it is the followers of islam that remain rooted in those barbarous teachings who threaten our way of life.

NB – I wish I knew why so many people’s automatic response to criticism of islam is deflection, in this case by comparing the hellhole of Africa to what is happening in the western world, - I’m sure it makes them feel better though.

There's no deflection here, I'm an equal opportunities denouncer of all sky fairies and their followers.

Be smart. Be an agnostic if you aren't a believer. Because God is real as are demons. So yeah. Be smart dude. Just because nothing has happened to you doesn't mean something has happened to someone else who wasn't a believer and it rocked their world.

Don't be a dumb. Don't be an atheist.

I get agnostic. That is what I was before a very, very strange and eye opening experience. But never did nor never will get the atheist type. How can you prove God isn't real. They are daft them lot.

If I was going to align myself with anything it would be Pantheism, it has all the answers with none of the hate.

Fair enough. Only one God. The rest are mockers and imitators.

But don't get the whole atheist bit. The hate they have for God....where you think that baby came from.

But what hate do you speak off? If mean Gays. Then yeah, God doesn't have time for them if then practice that lifestyle and sex style but makes sense when you think about it. If all men are/where gay where does that leave the human race....so yep, not many babies about huh. Logic with God right there. Don't care if you or others don't like that or not. It is logic and that is that. Never mind feelings.

Read the New Testament. It is all pretty clear about hate and what to do with it. The old laws done away with. The Ten Commandments stand as always. He who cast the first stone and all that.

[warmleatherette]

Do you, hand on heart, truly believe that atrocities committed by muslims worldwide today, are no more heinous or numerous than such acts committed by other religions?

More heinous? No, more numerous, right now in the West probably, but trying to justify how another one religion is somehow better than another using how long ago is plain nonsense, they're still killing and blowing people up in Ireland over religion, and if you were really interested in henious religious killings, right now Africa would be a good place to start if you want to compare actual numbers.

No-one is saying that one religion is better or worse than another, - they are all ridiculous, and stem from a time of barbarism.
The point is, in the here and now, it is the followers of islam that remain rooted in those barbarous teachings who threaten our way of life.

NB – I wish I knew why so many people’s automatic response to criticism of islam is deflection, in this case by comparing the hellhole of Africa to what is happening in the western world, - I’m sure it makes them feel better though.

There's no deflection here, I'm an equal opportunities denouncer of all sky fairies and their followers.

Be smart. Be an agnostic if you aren't a believer. Because God is real as are demons. So yeah. Be smart dude. Just because nothing has happened to you doesn't mean something has happened to someone else who wasn't a believer and it rocked their world.

Don't be a dumb. Don't be an atheist.

I get agnostic. That is what I was before a very, very strange and eye opening experience. But never did nor never will get the atheist type. How can you prove God isn't real. They are daft them lot.

If I was going to align myself with anything it would be Pantheism, it has all the answers with none of the hate.

Fair enough. Only one God. The rest are mockers and imitators.

But don't get the whole atheist bit. The hate they have for God....where you think that baby came from.

But what hate do you speak off? If mean Gays. Then yeah, God doesn't have time for them if then practice that lifestyle and sex style but makes sense when you think about it. If all men are/where gay where does that leave the human race....so yep, not many babies about huh. Logic with God right there. Don't care if you or others don't like that or not. It is logic and that is that. Never mind feelings.

Read the New Testament. It is all pretty clear about hate and what to do with it. The old laws done away with. He who cast the first stone and all that.

That all sounds very Christian and forgiving, and people wonder why there's killing and wars...

[Rossco]

More heinous? No, more numerous, right now in the West probably, but trying to justify how another one religion is somehow better than another using how long ago is plain nonsense, they're still killing and blowing people up in Ireland over religion, and if you were really interested in henious religious killings, right now Africa would be a good place to start if you want to compare actual numbers.

No-one is saying that one religion is better or worse than another, - they are all ridiculous, and stem from a time of barbarism.
The point is, in the here and now, it is the followers of islam that remain rooted in those barbarous teachings who threaten our way of life.

NB – I wish I knew why so many people’s automatic response to criticism of islam is deflection, in this case by comparing the hellhole of Africa to what is happening in the western world, - I’m sure it makes them feel better though.

There's no deflection here, I'm an equal opportunities denouncer of all sky fairies and their followers.

Be smart. Be an agnostic if you aren't a believer. Because God is real as are demons. So yeah. Be smart dude. Just because nothing has happened to you doesn't mean something has happened to someone else who wasn't a believer and it rocked their world.

Don't be a dumb. Don't be an atheist.

I get agnostic. That is what I was before a very, very strange and eye opening experience. But never did nor never will get the atheist type. How can you prove God isn't real. They are daft them lot.

If I was going to align myself with anything it would be Pantheism, it has all the answers with none of the hate.

Fair enough. Only one God. The rest are mockers and imitators.

But don't get the whole atheist bit. The hate they have for God....where you think that baby came from.

But what hate do you speak off? If mean Gays. Then yeah, God doesn't have time for them if then practice that lifestyle and sex style but makes sense when you think about it. If all men are/where gay where does that leave the human race....so yep, not many babies about huh. Logic with God right there. Don't care if you or others don't like that or not. It is logic and that is that. Never mind feelings.

Read the New Testament. It is all pretty clear about hate and what to do with it. The old laws done away with. He who cast the first stone and all that.

That all sounds very Christian and forgiving, and people wonder why there's killing and wars...

Well now there are many reasons for that. But to blame God is just brainless. Man fights man. What is that of God. Because it is in his name doesn't make it of him.

And religion is man made. Jesus spoke about it. He wasn't very fond of it. Then again I think he knew where that road lead.

And never forget who the ruler of this world is.

The answers are all there if care to look.

Hey logic is logic to the sarcastic answer as well. If every man was gay then the human race is what.....aye. Logic! But yet no logic with God they say. Cake and eat it springs to mind here.