UK General Election 2015.

[kevin04]

Might as well start up one with links and bumps from across good ol' Blighty.

Lib Dems are facing a wipeout. Absolute meltdown. What's the prediction for their numbers left after May? Their conference in Glasgow had less people in attendance than Women for Independence's one in Perth
To cut even deeper. SNP's student wing have more Lib members in Scotland than the Libs do and so do the SSP. In the next Holyrood election, the Libs will be left with 3 MPs possibly. Orkney, Shetland and a list seat.

In Scotland, the SNP will probably take a number of Lib seats (like in 2011's Holyrood election, giving them the majority). 80,000 SNP members since the referendum. Not all will be active I suppose, but still it's coppers in the tin.

I think UKIP will eventually get squeezed. They are polling well and do well in councils and Euro elections, but FPTP is a bugger of a system. The Tories get 500,000 votes in Scotland yet have 1 MP. If England, does end up having a devolved parliament using a fairer system I'd expect a UKIP-Tory coalition in that house within 5 years of it setting up if not straight away.

What about NI? Wales, and of course England? What's the predictions for next year?

Can see Cameron winning enough seats, but will lack a majority like last time. Labour, if they lose seats in Scotland to the SNP, the Tories will be laughing eitherway as the SNP do not sit in on ''English only laws''.

Could we be looking at a super rainbow coalition of Labour/Plaid/SNP/Libs/SDLP?

Maybe not.

[AlcoholBrazil]

Barman ! A pint of real ale for my mate , Nigel.
That's all you need to know about the next GE.

[Hillman avenger]

Might as well start up one with links and bumps from across good ol' Blighty.

Lib Dems are facing a wipeout. Absolute meltdown. What's the prediction for their numbers left after May? Their conference in Glasgow had less people in attendance than Women for Independence's one in Perth
To cut even deeper. SNP's student wing have more Lib members in Scotland than the Libs do and so do the SSP. In the next Holyrood election, the Libs will be left with 3 MPs possibly. Orkney, Shetland and a list seat.

In Scotland, the SNP will probably take a number of Lib seats (like in 2011's Holyrood election, giving them the majority). 80,000 SNP members since the referendum. Not all will be active I suppose, but still it's coppers in the tin.

I think UKIP will eventually get squeezed. They are polling well and do well in councils and Euro elections, but FPTP is a bugger of a system. The Tories get 500,000 votes in Scotland yet have 1 MP. If England, does end up having a devolved parliament using a fairer system I'd expect a UKIP-Tory coalition in that house within 5 years of it setting up if not straight away.
Which system would you prefer? They all have some drawback. FPTP is the least unfair we have found so far; as in US and most other countries.
What about NI? Wales, and of course England? What's the predictions for next year?

Can see Cameron winning enough seats, but will lack a majority like last time. Labour, if they lose seats in Scotland to the SNP, the Tories will be laughing eitherway as the SNP do not sit in on ''English only laws''.
Not yet.
Could we be looking at a super rainbow coalition of Labour/Plaid/SNP/Libs/SDLP?

Maybe not.

[paolo]

The election will be a vote for the same

the posh toffs, pseudo working class labour

or the toffs tory?

anyone who votes lib dem after their unapologetic rape of the electorate needs to be shot

[carcinogen]

22% turn-out.

[m4rkb]

Might as well start up one with links and bumps from across good ol' Blighty.

Lib Dems are facing a wipeout. Absolute meltdown. What's the prediction for their numbers left after May? Their conference in Glasgow had less people in attendance than Women for Independence's one in Perth
To cut even deeper. SNP's student wing have more Lib members in Scotland than the Libs do and so do the SSP. In the next Holyrood election, the Libs will be left with 3 MPs possibly. Orkney, Shetland and a list seat.

In Scotland, the SNP will probably take a number of Lib seats (like in 2011's Holyrood election, giving them the majority). 80,000 SNP members since the referendum. Not all will be active I suppose, but still it's coppers in the tin.

I think UKIP will eventually get squeezed. They are polling well and do well in councils and Euro elections, but FPTP is a bugger of a system. The Tories get 500,000 votes in Scotland yet have 1 MP. If England, does end up having a devolved parliament using a fairer system I'd expect a UKIP-Tory coalition in that house within 5 years of it setting up if not straight away.

What about NI? Wales, and of course England? What's the predictions for next year?

Can see Cameron winning enough seats, but will lack a majority like last time. Labour, if they lose seats in Scotland to the SNP, the Tories will be laughing eitherway as the SNP do not sit in on ''English only laws''.

Could we be looking at a super rainbow coalition of Labour/Plaid/SNP/Libs/SDLP?

Maybe not.

This post perfectly demonstrates why we are heading towards a European style government where we do away with voting for parties with similar policies, or can't decide anything because the votes are so split.

We may as well just put a federal type one in place made up of politicians who know what's best for us all , of which there is no shortage. Any first past the post system these days still tends to elect a minority so is arguably still undemocratic.

[m4 colin]

anyone who votes lib dem after their unapologetic rape of the electorate needs to be shot

Absolutely spent all their time licking Camarroons arse hole and then dared to call it being a moderating influence

[therealHJ]

Conservative - SNP coalition ... now there's a thought

[kevin04]

Tories 31%, Labour 31%, UKIP 25% and Libs 8%

Scottish subsample of over 1,120 voters for Yougov returns SNP 40%, Labour 29%, Tories 17%, UKIP 4%. No mention of the Greens or the Libs. Those added up equal 86, so let's say (10% Green 3% SSP, 1% Libs Joke!

Think the SNP will get squeezed and I'll be happy if we can just double our seats or get anything from 12-20 would be a terrific achievement considering Labour have some huge majorities in the cities, but then again, those Labour areas voted yes.

Soon see once next year comes around, but be interesting to see also if UKIP continue their success or if they will eventually get squeezed considering the line from both the Tories and the Red Tories "Vote UKIP get Milliband(or Cameron)''

Still, we could be looking at super-coalition governments with parties from all 4 regions of the UK.

[kevin04]

Survation's Scottish sample gives

SNP 50% Lab 30% Con 9.4% LibDem 4.8% Green 2.9% UKIP 2.8%

[colinthewarriormonkey]

I will be soiling my paper

Sorry I mean spoiling

On second thoughts, fuck it ! I'll go back to the first option, that should send a message.

[Ralph]

Tories 31%, Labour 31%, UKIP 25% and Libs 8%

Scottish subsample of over 1,120 voters for Yougov returns SNP 40%, Labour 29%, Tories 17%, UKIP 4%. No mention of the Greens or the Libs. Those added up equal 86, so let's say (10% Green 3% SSP, 1% Libs Joke!

Think the SNP will get squeezed and I'll be happy if we can just double our seats or get anything from 12-20 would be a terrific achievement considering Labour have some huge majorities in the cities, but then again, those Labour areas voted yes.

Soon see once next year comes around, but be interesting to see also if UKIP continue their success or if they will eventually get squeezed considering the line from both the Tories and the Red Tories "Vote UKIP get Milliband(or Cameron)''

Still, we could be looking at super-coalition governments with parties from all 4 regions of the UK.

Nobody would form a coalition with the SNP in Westminster. Their MPs are only interested in independence. They couldn't even be bothered to turn up & vote against the bedroom tax.

[Ralph]

Conservative - SNP coalition ... now there's a thought

Tartan Tories working with the actual Tories.

[therealHJ]

Conservative - SNP coalition ... now there's a thought

Tartan Tories working with the actual Tories.

SNP are more left-wing than Labour

[Ralph]

Conservative - SNP coalition ... now there's a thought

Tartan Tories working with the actual Tories.

SNP are more left-wing than Labour

That's why they couldn't be bothered to turn up & vote against the bedroom tax?

They're not left or right, they're nationalists. The only thing they're interested in is Scottish independence. They would happily form a coalition with the Tories if they thought it would help their cause.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... bel-goldie

[therealHJ]

Conservative - SNP coalition ... now there's a thought

Tartan Tories working with the actual Tories.

SNP are more left-wing than Labour

That's why they couldn't be bothered to turn up & vote against the bedroom tax?

They're not left or right, they're nationalists. The only thing they're interested in is Scottish independence. They would happily form a coalition with the Tories if they thought it would help their cause.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... bel-goldie

I am sure they would if it helped theior cause, but it does not escape the fact their policies are more left wing than Labour, nationalist or not.

History has also shown us that nationalism has more in common with socialism than conservatism and classic liberalism

[Ralph]

Conservative - SNP coalition ... now there's a thought

Tartan Tories working with the actual Tories.

SNP are more left-wing than Labour

That's why they couldn't be bothered to turn up & vote against the bedroom tax?

They're not left or right, they're nationalists. The only thing they're interested in is Scottish independence. They would happily form a coalition with the Tories if they thought it would help their cause.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... bel-goldie

I am sure they would if it helped theior cause, but it does not escape the fact their policies are more left wing than Labour, nationalist or not.

History has also shown us that nationalism has more in common with socialism than conservatism and classic liberalism

History has shown us that nationalist governments are usually on the authoritarian right of the political spectrum.

[therealHJ]

Conservative - SNP coalition ... now there's a thought

Tartan Tories working with the actual Tories.

SNP are more left-wing than Labour

That's why they couldn't be bothered to turn up & vote against the bedroom tax?

They're not left or right, they're nationalists. The only thing they're interested in is Scottish independence. They would happily form a coalition with the Tories if they thought it would help their cause.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... bel-goldie

I am sure they would if it helped theior cause, but it does not escape the fact their policies are more left wing than Labour, nationalist or not.

History has also shown us that nationalism has more in common with socialism than conservatism and classic liberalism

History has shown us that nationalist governments are usually on the authoritarian right of the political spectrum.

History has shown that the authoritarian right has more in common with socialism etc ...

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

[Ralph]

Conservative - SNP coalition ... now there's a thought

Tartan Tories working with the actual Tories.

SNP are more left-wing than Labour

That's why they couldn't be bothered to turn up & vote against the bedroom tax?

They're not left or right, they're nationalists. The only thing they're interested in is Scottish independence. They would happily form a coalition with the Tories if they thought it would help their cause.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... bel-goldie

I am sure they would if it helped theior cause, but it does not escape the fact their policies are more left wing than Labour, nationalist or not.

History has also shown us that nationalism has more in common with socialism than conservatism and classic liberalism

History has shown us that nationalist governments are usually on the authoritarian right of the political spectrum.

History has shown that the authoritarian right has more in common with socialism etc ...

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Who did Hitler systematically murder first? Trade Unionists, left wing resistance, 'Marxists'. Part of the reason he hated the Jews was he thought they were all Marxists.

Hitler was on the far- right of the political spectrum.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

[therealHJ]

Ralph what I said was there are more similarities between the authoritarian right /nationalists and socialism than there is with Conservatism and classic liberalism

There is nothing in your links or your posts that has indicated otherwise

[kevin04]

Tories 31%, Labour 31%, UKIP 25% and Libs 8%

Scottish subsample of over 1,120 voters for Yougov returns SNP 40%, Labour 29%, Tories 17%, UKIP 4%. No mention of the Greens or the Libs. Those added up equal 86, so let's say (10% Green 3% SSP, 1% Libs Joke!

Think the SNP will get squeezed and I'll be happy if we can just double our seats or get anything from 12-20 would be a terrific achievement considering Labour have some huge majorities in the cities, but then again, those Labour areas voted yes.

Soon see once next year comes around, but be interesting to see also if UKIP continue their success or if they will eventually get squeezed considering the line from both the Tories and the Red Tories "Vote UKIP get Milliband(or Cameron)''

Still, we could be looking at super-coalition governments with parties from all 4 regions of the UK.

Nobody would form a coalition with the SNP in Westminster. Their MPs are only interested in independence. They couldn't even be bothered to turn up & vote against the bedroom tax.

Glass houses!

https://www.facebook.com/labourshame

[Ralph]

Tories 31%, Labour 31%, UKIP 25% and Libs 8%

Scottish subsample of over 1,120 voters for Yougov returns SNP 40%, Labour 29%, Tories 17%, UKIP 4%. No mention of the Greens or the Libs. Those added up equal 86, so let's say (10% Green 3% SSP, 1% Libs Joke!

Think the SNP will get squeezed and I'll be happy if we can just double our seats or get anything from 12-20 would be a terrific achievement considering Labour have some huge majorities in the cities, but then again, those Labour areas voted yes.

Soon see once next year comes around, but be interesting to see also if UKIP continue their success or if they will eventually get squeezed considering the line from both the Tories and the Red Tories "Vote UKIP get Milliband(or Cameron)''

Still, we could be looking at super-coalition governments with parties from all 4 regions of the UK.

Nobody would form a coalition with the SNP in Westminster. Their MPs are only interested in independence. They couldn't even be bothered to turn up & vote against the bedroom tax.

Glass houses!

https://www.facebook.com/labourshame

Labour called a vote on abolishing the bedroom tax & won it. SNP MPs didn't bother to show up when the vote could have gone either way. Why not?

As you point out the SNP criticised Labour for 'pairing' for a bedroom tax vote & then just didn't bother to turn up for another potentially knife-edge vote on the bedroom tax.


http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/ ... x.25260876

[Steve Hunt]

UKIP will wreck the Tory vote, Lib Dems will go to Labour and a small working majority will be won by Labour, I reckon (if the current leaders are still in their jobs next May).

[Hillman avenger]

I think they will all be in post, for good or bad, barring a real or fabricated medical reason.

No party this close would drop its leader, however bad.

[Thursty]

Hillman, are you still breaking the imminent breakup of the coalition, like you were since 2010?