Sex, Lies and Fear; The Conservative Manifesto

[Royal24s]

One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again!  He says he will call a referendum on continued membership of the EU, ( whilst leaving himself several transparent get-out clauses), but does anyone believe him?
- Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

The fact is that there is a growing support for UKIP , perhaps for very similar reasons to the very close result to the recent referendum in the North. People are actually sick of the shenanigans of the Westminster tri-Party caucus, who seem to believe in nothing at all other than their own self interests and the sanctity of gay marriage, ( the unexpected issue which Mr Cameroon pushed ahead of the economy, poverty and national security without having mentioned it in his manifesto).

These odious individuals think they've got a RIGHT to govern, and their contempt for the people who elect them and the country itself is quite stunning. Whether they label themselves Conservative , Labour or Lib Dems, they like each other a lot more than they like us. Perhaps you are one of those who vote on tribal lines and will remain loyal to your designated Party no matter how much they kick you and contempt you, but actually, if you can see much difference between any if them, you must have very sharp eyesight indeed.

In the recent referendum they relied upon threats and fear, and they very nearly came unstuck in that. They didn't learn anything from that though.

Over and over, we hear two arguments from the Conservatives about why we shouldn't vote UKIP .
Firstly, that only by electing a conservative government can we get a referendum on Europe and secondly that if we vote UKIP we may get Ed Milliband and Labour in power.
Well, no one in their right minds could possibly belief that they'll really give us a referendum , and even though I've generally voted Conservative for the last 40 years or so, I've seen a few Labour governments and prime ministers before and I can put up with another one if that's what it takes.

They seem to be saying, elect our bloody idiot because if you don't ,you'll get the only other bloody idiot on offer. It's Hobson's Choice, so forget any thoughts you may have had about genuine democratic choice and do as we say!

Well, I've got news for them. People are not satisfied with that anymore. If they think UKIP intend to cause a bit if a disruption , register a few protest votes then go away, they're wrong.
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.

UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people.

If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.

If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.

Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !

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[Hillman avenger]

I don't think anyone sees UKIP as simply a protest party, nor does anyone dispute that people are jaundiced about the mainstream parties.

The danger is to leap to conclusions from that.

The "referendum in the North" was NOT a close result. It was forecast to be one, but in reality was nothing of the kind. Considering what was at stake for the SNP, and the scale of the turnout, it actually showed a very decisive majority in favour of what happens now. Faced with the reality of local independence, those voters realised that in our modern world there is simply too much macro and interdependence for ever-smaller units of government to make sense.

My bet is that as and when there is an EU referendum- and Milliband is making a bad mistake in opposing one- if there is a sensible debate we will vote to stay in. Then let's see two things-an end to the issue for the next twenty years; and a proper engagement with Europe rather than the arms-length disdain which we have shown so far and which has guaranteed we would end up unhappy with what has happened.

Now let's look at UKIP. Farage has cleverly ridden a wave. The EU has done itself no favours with some of its behaviours and institutions and he has tapped into the Mail/Express themes cleverly. But what do they really have to offer?

On the issue that consumes 90% of its energy, a policy of "no". No definition of the alternative life afterwards ( not surprisingly, really, as then it would provide substance for people to disassemble). In this respect, even if it is NOT a protest party, its behaviour is exactly that.

Then there are the rest of its "policies". Economic policies that would take a sixth-former about an hour to undermine. Social policies that are from the ark. Policies on immigration that fail utterly to address the economic consequences of what they would do- like it or not, you stop immigration and there are serious negatives in our economy. Even Farage has had the grace and sense of humour to deride their own "policies".

And then there are the people. Either unknown and utterly amateur , or known and lacking any credibility. The Hamiltons. A party that would not have the nous to realise that Reckless and Carswell are both egotistical rent-a-gobs who assume they might do better in a small pond, however fetid.

Yes, the serious parties have been too laid-back in their response to UKIP. The mistake made was to credit the electorate with the intelligence to reject them at the ballot, however much they want to signal discontent. I think that is changing now.

[colinthewarriormonkey]

One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again!  He says he will call a referendum on continued membership of the EU, ( whilst leaving himself several transparent get-out clauses), but does anyone believe him?
- Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

The fact is that there is a growing support for UKIP , perhaps for very similar reasons to the very close result to the recent referendum in the North. People are actually sick of the shenanigans of the Westminster tri-Party caucus, who seem to believe in nothing at all other than their own self interests and the sanctity of gay marriage, ( the unexpected issue which Mr Cameroon pushed ahead of the economy, poverty and national security without having mentioned it in his manifesto).

These odious individuals think they've got a RIGHT to govern, and their contempt for the people who elect them and the country itself is quite stunning. Whether they label themselves Conservative , Labour or Lib Dems, they like each other a lot more than they like us. Perhaps you are one of those who vote on tribal lines and will remain loyal to your designated Party no matter how much they kick you and contempt you, but actually, if you can see much difference between any if them, you must have very sharp eyesight indeed.

In the recent referendum they relied upon threats and fear, and they very nearly came unstuck in that. They didn't learn anything from that though.

Over and over, we hear two arguments from the Conservatives about why we shouldn't vote UKIP .
Firstly, that only by electing a conservative government can we get a referendum on Europe and secondly that if we vote UKIP we may get Ed Milliband and Labour in power.
Well, no one in their right minds could possibly belief that they'll really give us a referendum , and even though I've generally voted Conservative for the last 40 years or so, I've seen a few Labour governments and prime ministers before and I can put up with another one if that's what it takes.

They seem to be saying, elect our bloody idiot because if you don't ,you'll get the only other bloody idiot on offer. It's Hobson's Choice, so forget any thoughts you may have had about genuine democratic choice and do as we say!

Well, I've got news for them. People are not satisfied with that anymore. If they think UKIP intend to cause a bit if a disruption , register a few protest votes then go away, they're wrong.
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.

UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people.

If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.

If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.

Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !

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Post of the year.

Well said that man. !

[colinthewarriormonkey]

Funnily enough I was thinking along the lines of them peddling this manifesto.

It used to be "vote for me and I will make life better for you"

now the only thing they can come up with is "vote for me, and I'll punish poor people some more"

[Steve Hunt]

One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again!  He says he will call a referendum on continued membership of the EU, ( whilst leaving himself several transparent get-out clauses), but does anyone believe him?
- Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

The fact is that there is a growing support for UKIP , perhaps for very similar reasons to the very close result to the recent referendum in the North. People are actually sick of the shenanigans of the Westminster tri-Party caucus, who seem to believe in nothing at all other than their own self interests and the sanctity of gay marriage, ( the unexpected issue which Mr Cameroon pushed ahead of the economy, poverty and national security without having mentioned it in his manifesto).

These odious individuals think they've got a RIGHT to govern, and their contempt for the people who elect them and the country itself is quite stunning. Whether they label themselves Conservative , Labour or Lib Dems, they like each other a lot more than they like us. Perhaps you are one of those who vote on tribal lines and will remain loyal to your designated Party no matter how much they kick you and contempt you, but actually, if you can see much difference between any if them, you must have very sharp eyesight indeed.

In the recent referendum they relied upon threats and fear, and they very nearly came unstuck in that. They didn't learn anything from that though.

Over and over, we hear two arguments from the Conservatives about why we shouldn't vote UKIP .
Firstly, that only by electing a conservative government can we get a referendum on Europe and secondly that if we vote UKIP we may get Ed Milliband and Labour in power.
Well, no one in their right minds could possibly belief that they'll really give us a referendum , and even though I've generally voted Conservative for the last 40 years or so, I've seen a few Labour governments and prime ministers before and I can put up with another one if that's what it takes.

They seem to be saying, elect our bloody idiot because if you don't ,you'll get the only other bloody idiot on offer. It's Hobson's Choice, so forget any thoughts you may have had about genuine democratic choice and do as we say!

Well, I've got news for them. People are not satisfied with that anymore. If they think UKIP intend to cause a bit if a disruption , register a few protest votes then go away, they're wrong.
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.

UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people.

If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.

If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.

Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !

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Post of the year.

Well said that man. !

+ 1

[Royal24s]

I don't think anyone sees UKIP as simply a protest party, nor does anyone dispute that people are jaundiced about the mainstream parties.

The danger is to leap to conclusions from that.

The "referendum in the North" was NOT a close result. It was forecast to be one, but in reality was nothing of the kind. Considering what was at stake for the SNP, and the scale of the turnout, it actually showed a very decisive majority in favour of what happens now. Faced with the reality of local independence, those voters realised that in our modern world there is simply too much macro and interdependence for ever-smaller units of government to make sense.

My bet is that as and when there is an EU referendum- and Milliband is making a bad mistake in opposing one- if there is a sensible debate we will vote to stay in. Then let's see two things-an end to the issue for the next twenty years; and a proper engagement with Europe rather than the arms-length disdain which we have shown so far and which has guaranteed we would end up unhappy with what has happened.

Now let's look at UKIP. Farage has cleverly ridden a wave. The EU has done itself no favours with some of its behaviours and institutions and he has tapped into the Mail/Express themes cleverly. But what do they really have to offer?

On the issue that consumes 90% of its energy, a policy of "no". No definition of the alternative life afterwards ( not surprisingly, really, as then it would provide substance for people to disassemble). In this respect, even if it is NOT a protest party, its behaviour is exactly that.

Then there are the rest of its "policies". Economic policies that would take a sixth-former about an hour to undermine. Social policies that are from the ark. Policies on immigration that fail utterly to address the economic consequences of what they would do- like it or not, you stop immigration and there are serious negatives in our economy. Even Farage has had the grace and sense of humour to deride their own "policies".

And then there are the people. Either unknown and utterly amateur , or known and lacking any credibility. The Hamiltons. A party that would not have the nous to realise that Reckless and Carswell are both egotistical rent-a-gobs who assume they might do better in a small pond, however fetid.

Yes, the serious parties have been too laid-back in their response to UKIP. The mistake made was to credit the electorate with the intelligence to reject them at the ballot, however much they want to signal discontent. I think that is changing now.

If I were a Scotsman, I'd be pretty pissed off by the way you write off the wishes of nearly half that nation.
That was a very one sided affair of a massive State and media propaganda machine doing everything in its maleficent power to crush the yearning for freedom by fear, and a group of patriots struggling against it with nothing more than big hearts , courage and the truth. They had no resources but they bloody nearly did it, and I take my hat off to them for that. What's more, I salute their man Salmand for being a true leader who believed in his cause.

The Scots are not naturally my friends, but it have more time for them than the bloody crooks in Westminster, and I fully understand why they are disenchanted with them.

Point is that you at very wrong if you think they'll just go away and you'll hear no more of it, and you're equally wrong if you think the people of this country , be they supporters of UKIP or not will EVER bow down to the fake Parties of Westminster or their European masters again. It's no good them claiming that they're going to change - it's far too late for that.

What's more, it's no good trying to frighten the British Nation that they couldn't cope without the fake liberal empire of the EU because it's not 300 years worth of Union and loyalties this time - it's a few decades of pure servitude achieved by stealth and deception of voters, and we do not doubt our ability to trade and live as a free independent country for a single moment !

The scheme has failed. It's just a matter of time before it collapses entirely.
Maybe the Scots will join us, this time quite freely and for the right reasons, and maybe not, but the days of the rights given by God being taken away by snivelling worm tongued Westminster gangsters are numbered!

[Royal24s]

One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again!  He says he will call
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.

UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people...........

If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.

If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.

Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !

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Post of the year.

Well said that man. !

+ 1

Thank you Steve, but it's the people who have said it, not me. God a Bless you nonetheless!

[Basualdo]

I don't think anyone sees UKIP as simply a protest party, nor does anyone dispute that people are jaundiced about the mainstream parties.

The danger is to leap to conclusions from that.

The "referendum in the North" was NOT a close result. It was forecast to be one, but in reality was nothing of the kind. Considering what was at stake for the SNP, and the scale of the turnout, it actually showed a very decisive majority in favour of what happens now. Faced with the reality of local independence, those voters realised that in our modern world there is simply too much macro and interdependence for ever-smaller units of government to make sense.

My bet is that as and when there is an EU referendum- and Milliband is making a bad mistake in opposing one- if there is a sensible debate we will vote to stay in. Then let's see two things-an end to the issue for the next twenty years; and a proper engagement with Europe rather than the arms-length disdain which we have shown so far and which has guaranteed we would end up unhappy with what has happened.

Now let's look at UKIP. Farage has cleverly ridden a wave. The EU has done itself no favours with some of its behaviours and institutions and he has tapped into the Mail/Express themes cleverly. But what do they really have to offer?

On the issue that consumes 90% of its energy, a policy of "no". No definition of the alternative life afterwards ( not surprisingly, really, as then it would provide substance for people to disassemble). In this respect, even if it is NOT a protest party, its behaviour is exactly that.

Then there are the rest of its "policies". Economic policies that would take a sixth-former about an hour to undermine. Social policies that are from the ark. Policies on immigration that fail utterly to address the economic consequences of what they would do- like it or not, you stop immigration and there are serious negatives in our economy. Even Farage has had the grace and sense of humour to deride their own "policies".

And then there are the people. Either unknown and utterly amateur , or known and lacking any credibility. The Hamiltons. A party that would not have the nous to realise that Reckless and Carswell are both egotistical rent-a-gobs who assume they might do better in a small pond, however fetid.

Yes, the serious parties have been too laid-back in their response to UKIP. The mistake made was to credit the electorate with the intelligence to reject them at the ballot, however much they want to signal discontent. I think that is changing now.

If I were a Scotsman, I'd be pretty pissed off by the way you write off the wishes of nearly half that nation.
That was a very one sided affair of a massive State and media propaganda machine doing everything in its maleficent power to crush the yearning for freedom by fear, and a group of patriots struggling against it with nothing more than big hearts , courage and the truth. They had no resources but they bloody nearly did it, and I take my hat off to them for that. What's more, I salute their man Salmand for being a true leader who believed in his cause.

The Scots are not naturally my friends, but it have more time for them than the bloody crooks in Westminster, and I fully understand why they are disenchanted with them.

Point is that you at very wrong if you think they'll just go away and you'll hear no more of it, and you're equally wrong if you think the people of this country , be they supporters of UKIP or not will EVER bow down to the fake Parties of Westminster or their European masters again. It's no good them claiming that they're going to change - it's far too late for that.

What's more, it's no good trying to frighten the British Nation that they couldn't cope without the fake liberal empire of the EU because it's not 300 years worth of Union and loyalties this time - it's a few decades of pure servitude achieved by stealth and deception of voters, and we do not doubt our ability to trade and live as a free independent country for a single moment !

The scheme has failed. It's just a matter of time before it collapses entirely.
Maybe the Scots will join us, this time quite freely and for the right reasons, and maybe not, but the days of the rights given by God being taken away by snivelling worm tongued Westminster gangsters are numbered!

Cromwell said much the same thing over 350 years ago to the same self serving rabble, though with a lot more brevity.

You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

[the rotary club]

One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again!  He says he will call a referendum on continued membership of the EU, ( whilst leaving himself several transparent get-out clauses), but does anyone believe him?
- Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

The fact is that there is a growing support for UKIP , perhaps for very similar reasons to the very close result to the recent referendum in the North. People are actually sick of the shenanigans of the Westminster tri-Party caucus, who seem to believe in nothing at all other than their own self interests and the sanctity of gay marriage, ( the unexpected issue which Mr Cameroon pushed ahead of the economy, poverty and national security without having mentioned it in his manifesto).

These odious individuals think they've got a RIGHT to govern, and their contempt for the people who elect them and the country itself is quite stunning. Whether they label themselves Conservative , Labour or Lib Dems, they like each other a lot more than they like us. Perhaps you are one of those who vote on tribal lines and will remain loyal to your designated Party no matter how much they kick you and contempt you, but actually, if you can see much difference between any if them, you must have very sharp eyesight indeed.

In the recent referendum they relied upon threats and fear, and they very nearly came unstuck in that. They didn't learn anything from that though.

Over and over, we hear two arguments from the Conservatives about why we shouldn't vote UKIP .
Firstly, that only by electing a conservative government can we get a referendum on Europe and secondly that if we vote UKIP we may get Ed Milliband and Labour in power.
Well, no one in their right minds could possibly belief that they'll really give us a referendum , and even though I've generally voted Conservative for the last 40 years or so, I've seen a few Labour governments and prime ministers before and I can put up with another one if that's what it takes.

They seem to be saying, elect our bloody idiot because if you don't ,you'll get the only other bloody idiot on offer. It's Hobson's Choice, so forget any thoughts you may have had about genuine democratic choice and do as we say!

Well, I've got news for them. People are not satisfied with that anymore. If they think UKIP intend to cause a bit if a disruption , register a few protest votes then go away, they're wrong.
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.

UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people.

If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.

If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.

Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !

Sent from my iPad

In summary just like the Tories but without the sex.

Lies and fear mongering the UK Independence Party.

[Lou Grant]

UKIP = Tories with lower personal hygiene standards. End of.

[the rotary club]

I've heard they shag hoovers.

[Steve Hunt]

I've heard they shag hoovers.

Which is a bit rich coming from Bonkin' Boris!

I'm not sure going down the sexual proclivities route was that wise. All Farage & Co have to do is mention his numerous mistresses!

[Royal24s]

".



Cromwell said much the same thing over 350 years ago to the same self serving rabble, though with a lot more brevity.

You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go! [/quote]

I think he said that, ( if he did, because there is no actual record, just secondary sources), just as he summoned his troops in. Well, perhaps a one liner is called for in such circumstances , but he did certainly set his case out more fully elsewhere. Well done for possibly reading a book though.
By the way, Cromwell became a bit of a tyrant himself, so I must object to the comparison - just as I do to your suggestion that it is people wanting proper representation who are the the " self seeking rabble" , rather than the chairman of the Parliamentry Committee on Climate Change who makes £450,000 a year selling solar panels or Tony Blair who used his position as a socialist prime minister to launch so many colonial wars and become a multi millionaire !

[warmleatherette]

One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again!  He says he will call a referendum on continued membership of the EU, ( whilst leaving himself several transparent get-out clauses), but does anyone believe him?
- Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

The fact is that there is a growing support for UKIP , perhaps for very similar reasons to the very close result to the recent referendum in the North. People are actually sick of the shenanigans of the Westminster tri-Party caucus, who seem to believe in nothing at all other than their own self interests and the sanctity of gay marriage, ( the unexpected issue which Mr Cameroon pushed ahead of the economy, poverty and national security without having mentioned it in his manifesto).

These odious individuals think they've got a RIGHT to govern, and their contempt for the people who elect them and the country itself is quite stunning. Whether they label themselves Conservative , Labour or Lib Dems, they like each other a lot more than they like us. Perhaps you are one of those who vote on tribal lines and will remain loyal to your designated Party no matter how much they kick you and contempt you, but actually, if you can see much difference between any if them, you must have very sharp eyesight indeed.

In the recent referendum they relied upon threats and fear, and they very nearly came unstuck in that. They didn't learn anything from that though.

Over and over, we hear two arguments from the Conservatives about why we shouldn't vote UKIP .
Firstly, that only by electing a conservative government can we get a referendum on Europe and secondly that if we vote UKIP we may get Ed Milliband and Labour in power.
Well, no one in their right minds could possibly belief that they'll really give us a referendum , and even though I've generally voted Conservative for the last 40 years or so, I've seen a few Labour governments and prime ministers before and I can put up with another one if that's what it takes.

They seem to be saying, elect our bloody idiot because if you don't ,you'll get the only other bloody idiot on offer. It's Hobson's Choice, so forget any thoughts you may have had about genuine democratic choice and do as we say!

Well, I've got news for them. People are not satisfied with that anymore. If they think UKIP intend to cause a bit if a disruption , register a few protest votes then go away, they're wrong.
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.

UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people.

If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.

If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.

Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !

Sent from my iPad

Post of the year.

Well said that man. !

+ 1

Don't know about post of the year but well said that man +2

[Royal24s]

One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again!  He says he will call a referendum on continued membership of the EU, ( whilst leaving himself several transparent get-out clauses), but does anyone believe him?
- Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

The fact is that there is a growing support for UKIP , perhaps for very similar reasons to the very close result to the recent referendum in the North. People are actually sick of the shenanigans of the Westminster tri-Party caucus, who seem to believe in nothing at all other than their own self interests and the sanctity of gay marriage, ( the unexpected issue which Mr Cameroon pushed ahead of the economy, poverty and national security without having mentioned it in his manifesto).

These odious individuals think they've got a RIGHT to govern, and their contempt for the people who elect them and the country itself is quite stunning. Whether they label themselves Conservative , Labour or Lib Dems, they like each other a lot more than they like us. Perhaps you are one of those who vote on tribal lines and will remain loyal to your designated Party no matter how much they kick you and contempt you, but actually, if you can see much difference between any if them, you must have very sharp eyesight indeed.

In the recent referendum they relied upon threats and fear, and they very nearly came unstuck in that. They didn't learn anything from that though.

Over and over, we hear two arguments from the Conservatives about why we shouldn't vote UKIP .
Firstly, that only by electing a conservative government can we get a referendum on Europe and secondly that if we vote UKIP we may get Ed Milliband and Labour in power.
Well, no one in their right minds could possibly belief that they'll really give us a referendum , and even though I've generally voted Conservative for the last 40 years or so, I've seen a few Labour governments and prime ministers before and I can put up with another one if that's what it takes.

They seem to be saying, elect our bloody idiot because if you don't ,you'll get the only other bloody idiot on offer. It's Hobson's Choice, so forget any thoughts you may have had about genuine democratic choice and do as we say!

Well, I've got news for them. People are not satisfied with that anymore. If they think UKIP intend to cause a bit if a disruption , register a few protest votes then go away, they're wrong.
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.

UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people.

If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.

If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.

Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !

Sent from my iPad

In summary just like the Tories but without the sex.

Lies and fear mongering the UK Independence Party.

Well, if that's what you took from it I don't think I can help you. Clearly you have comprehension difficulties. Oh, unless of course you're trying to twist my words, which is subconsciously learned behaviour I would guess, arising from watching too much BBC political output and gradually mimicking the players rather like a huge flightless parrot whose only friend is his tv set.

[Zambo]

The British are a tough people

That made me lol.

[Hillman avenger]

One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again!  He says he will call a referendum on continued membership of the EU, ( whilst leaving himself several transparent get-out clauses), but does anyone believe him?
- Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

The fact is that there is a growing support for UKIP , perhaps for very similar reasons to the very close result to the recent referendum in the North. People are actually sick of the shenanigans of the Westminster tri-Party caucus, who seem to believe in nothing at all other than their own self interests and the sanctity of gay marriage, ( the unexpected issue which Mr Cameroon pushed ahead of the economy, poverty and national security without having mentioned it in his manifesto).

These odious individuals think they've got a RIGHT to govern, and their contempt for the people who elect them and the country itself is quite stunning. Whether they label themselves Conservative , Labour or Lib Dems, they like each other a lot more than they like us. Perhaps you are one of those who vote on tribal lines and will remain loyal to your designated Party no matter how much they kick you and contempt you, but actually, if you can see much difference between any if them, you must have very sharp eyesight indeed.

In the recent referendum they relied upon threats and fear, and they very nearly came unstuck in that. They didn't learn anything from that though.

Over and over, we hear two arguments from the Conservatives about why we shouldn't vote UKIP .
Firstly, that only by electing a conservative government can we get a referendum on Europe and secondly that if we vote UKIP we may get Ed Milliband and Labour in power.
Well, no one in their right minds could possibly belief that they'll really give us a referendum , and even though I've generally voted Conservative for the last 40 years or so, I've seen a few Labour governments and prime ministers before and I can put up with another one if that's what it takes.

They seem to be saying, elect our bloody idiot because if you don't ,you'll get the only other bloody idiot on offer. It's Hobson's Choice, so forget any thoughts you may have had about genuine democratic choice and do as we say!

Well, I've got news for them. People are not satisfied with that anymore. If they think UKIP intend to cause a bit if a disruption , register a few protest votes then go away, they're wrong.
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.

UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people.

If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.

If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.

Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !

Sent from my iPad

In summary just like the Tories but without the sex.

Lies and fear mongering the UK Independence Party.

Well, if that's what you took from it I don't think I can help you. Clearly you have comprehension difficulties. Oh, unless of course you're trying to twist my words, which is subconsciously learned behaviour I would guess, arising from watching too much BBC political output and gradually mimicking the players rather like a huge flightless parrot whose only friend is his tv set.

You must tell us some time where you get your news from.

It would appear you have an entirely unsullied source, which I am sure we would all like to know. Certainly it assists you in coming to your conclusions based entirely on logic and values, unlike us mere mortals.

BTW I watched Fox News in the US when I was there. In particular one Bill Reilly. His/their strapline is that it's news, not opinion. In his show, re Obama and Iraq, it was one solid hour of entire opinion, no news whatsoever, and none of that tedious explanation of opinion either. Your source must be just the opposite.

[Royal24s]

The British are a tough people

That made me lol.

Did it really big boy ?

Well, maybe that's why you've got such scant regard for stuff like Justice then.
The British people have seen off some pretty dreadful foes in the past, and paradoxically, that's the very reason that you can sit there telling us what crap we are.
Well done for posting a picture of Mr Bean or Johnny English, whoever it is. I bet you enjoy all those adverts which demean all white males too.
Not all British people are tough , obviously. In such a large population we must by logic have bred quite a few smartarsed spineless people who enjoy pathetic little rules. I'm not worried about pencil necks like that though - they're not even the real bad guys who have planned and introduced this sandal wearing yogurt knitting hellhole where it's trendy to mock anything brave or decent, just the sad weak little fleas who are content to sit on their backs and feed off the mayhem they've created.
I'm afraid to tell you that there are still people who will stand up for truth rather than sitting and making sarcastic little remarks to cover their own moral cowardice and inadequacy .

[9 to 5]

Royals rage!

[Royal24s]

One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again!  He says he will call a referendum on continued membership of the EU, ( whilst leaving himself several transparent get-out clauses), but does anyone believe him?
- Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

The fact is that there is a growing support for UKIP , perhaps for very similar reasons to the very close result to the recent referendum in the North. People are actually sick of the shenanigans of the Westminster tri-Party caucus, who seem to believe in nothing at all other than their own self interests and the sanctity of gay marriage, ( the unexpected issue which Mr Cameroon pushed ahead of the economy, poverty and national security without having mentioned it in his manifesto).

These odious individuals think they've got a RIGHT to govern, and their contempt for the people who elect them and the country itself is quite stunning. Whether they label themselves Conservative , Labour or Lib Dems, they like each other a lot more than they like us. Perhaps you are one of those who vote on tribal lines and will remain loyal to your designated Party no matter how much they kick you and contempt you, but actually, if you can see much difference between any if them, you must have very sharp eyesight indeed.

In the recent referendum they relied upon threats and fear, and they very nearly came unstuck in that. They didn't learn anything from that though.

Over and over, we hear two arguments from the Conservatives about why we shouldn't vote UKIP .
Firstly, that only by electing a conservative government can we get a referendum on Europe and secondly that if we vote UKIP we may get Ed Milliband and Labour in power.
Well, no one in their right minds could possibly belief that they'll really give us a referendum , and even though I've generally voted Conservative for the last 40 years or so, I've seen a few Labour governments and prime ministers before and I can put up with another one if that's what it takes.

They seem to be saying, elect our bloody idiot because if you don't ,you'll get the only other bloody idiot on offer. It's Hobson's Choice, so forget any thoughts you may have had about genuine democratic choice and do as we say!

Well, I've got news for them. People are not satisfied with that anymore. If they think UKIP intend to cause a bit if a disruption , register a few protest votes then go away, they're wrong.
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.

UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people.

If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.

If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.

Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !

Sent from my iPad

In summary just like the Tories but without the sex.

Lies and fear mongering the UK Independence Party.

Well, if that's what you took from it I don't think I can help you. Clearly you have comprehension difficulties. Oh, unless of course you're trying to twist my words, which is subconsciously learned behaviour I would guess, arising from watching too much BBC political output and gradually mimicking the players rather like a huge flightless parrot whose only friend is his tv set.

You must tell us some time where you get your news from.

It would appear you have an entirely unsullied source, which I am sure we would all like to know. Certainly it assists you in coming to your conclusions based entirely on logic and values, unlike us mere mortals.

BTW I watched Fox News in the US when I was there. In particular one Bill Reilly. His/their strapline is that it's news, not opinion. In his show, re Obama and Iraq, it was one solid hour of entire opinion, no news whatsoever, and none of that tedious explanation of opinion either. Your source must be just the opposite.

Well of course what I wrote is opinion rather than News. I don't think I claimed that it was a News Bulletin did I?

I'd have thought that The o'Reilly Factor, if they still call it that, was obviously opinion based too. You do know, do you, that stations in the USA don't have to be unbiased ? Fox are Pro Republican, CNN are Pro Democrat etc etc. wants any of that got to do with anything though ?

If you can have a "source" for opinion, then my source is what I earnestly believe to be the truth. You may disagree with it, and no doubt you do, but in the end I am quite confident that the truth- wherever it lies - will prevail.

[Royal24s]

Royals rage!

Hardly rage, but you know, there are some things which you must get upset about if you believe in right and wrong, however unfashionable it is

[therealHJ]

UKIP is a personality cult surrounding one man, they have no policies and the party has a high average age and more than its fair share of oddballs.

A vote for UKIP will let the Labour Party in by the back door, they have a left-wing anti-business agenda, there will be no EU referendum, there will be no English home rule, We will go back to the misguided social policies, bloated public sector and higher borrowing because Labour never learn from their mistakes and neither do their union overlords.

Cameron isn't perfect by any means and the Conservatives, like all political parties, have both good and bad MPs but compared to the alternative of Miliband, Balls, and Harman they are by a long way the least worst option.

Vote for UKIP by all means it is your democratic right but don't complain when we have a Labour government with no EU referendum and Scottish and Welsh MPs lauding it over the English.

[Zambo]

The British are a tough people

That made me lol.

Did it really big boy ?

Well, maybe that's why you've got such scant regard for stuff like Justice then.
The British people have seen off some pretty dreadful foes in the past, and paradoxically, that's the very reason that you can sit there telling us what crap we are.
Well done for posting a picture of Mr Bean or Johnny English, whoever it is. I bet you enjoy all those adverts which demean all white males too.
Not all British people are tough , obviously. In such a large population we must by logic have bred quite a few smartarsed spineless people who enjoy pathetic little rules. I'm not worried about pencil necks like that though - they're not even the real bad guys who have planned and introduced this sandal wearing yogurt knitting hellhole where it's trendy to mock anything brave or decent, just the sad weak little fleas who are content to sit on their backs and feed off the mayhem they've created.
I'm afraid to tell you that there are still people who will stand up for truth rather than sitting and making sarcastic little remarks to cover their own moral cowardice and inadequacy .

You made a statement that British are a tough people. I think that is total bollocks. You can now backtrack and say you didn't mean the spineless cunts in our midst, but that fact that you said what you did just made me roll up.

Let's face it you just went into a rant because someone dared to disagree with you. You need to grow the fuck up.

You can then tell me why you think I have a scant regard for justice.

[Basualdo]

I'll havev you know im tougher than fucking Sheffield steel, you float happy, moistened lounge lizard.
I havent shed one tear since my last pedicure went tits up.

[Zambo]

I'll havev you know im tougher than fucking Sheffield steel, you float happy, moistened lounge lizard.
I havent shed one tear since my last pedicure went tits up.

One I had done a few days ago. Didn't flinch