Sex, Lies and Fear; The Conservative Manifesto

[Hillman avenger]

One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again!  He says he will call a referendum on continued membership of the EU, ( whilst leaving himself several transparent get-out clauses), but does anyone believe him?
- Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

The fact is that there is a growing support for UKIP , perhaps for very similar reasons to the very close result to the recent referendum in the North. People are actually sick of the shenanigans of the Westminster tri-Party caucus, who seem to believe in nothing at all other than their own self interests and the sanctity of gay marriage, ( the unexpected issue which Mr Cameroon pushed ahead of the economy, poverty and national security without having mentioned it in his manifesto).

These odious individuals think they've got a RIGHT to govern, and their contempt for the people who elect them and the country itself is quite stunning. Whether they label themselves Conservative , Labour or Lib Dems, they like each other a lot more than they like us. Perhaps you are one of those who vote on tribal lines and will remain loyal to your designated Party no matter how much they kick you and contempt you, but actually, if you can see much difference between any if them, you must have very sharp eyesight indeed.

In the recent referendum they relied upon threats and fear, and they very nearly came unstuck in that. They didn't learn anything from that though.

Over and over, we hear two arguments from the Conservatives about why we shouldn't vote UKIP .
Firstly, that only by electing a conservative government can we get a referendum on Europe and secondly that if we vote UKIP we may get Ed Milliband and Labour in power.
Well, no one in their right minds could possibly belief that they'll really give us a referendum , and even though I've generally voted Conservative for the last 40 years or so, I've seen a few Labour governments and prime ministers before and I can put up with another one if that's what it takes.

They seem to be saying, elect our bloody idiot because if you don't ,you'll get the only other bloody idiot on offer. It's Hobson's Choice, so forget any thoughts you may have had about genuine democratic choice and do as we say!

Well, I've got news for them. People are not satisfied with that anymore. If they think UKIP intend to cause a bit if a disruption , register a few protest votes then go away, they're wrong.
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.

UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people.

If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.

If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.

Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !

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In summary just like the Tories but without the sex.

Lies and fear mongering the UK Independence Party.

Well, if that's what you took from it I don't think I can help you. Clearly you have comprehension difficulties. Oh, unless of course you're trying to twist my words, which is subconsciously learned behaviour I would guess, arising from watching too much BBC political output and gradually mimicking the players rather like a huge flightless parrot whose only friend is his tv set.

You must tell us some time where you get your news from.

It would appear you have an entirely unsullied source, which I am sure we would all like to know. Certainly it assists you in coming to your conclusions based entirely on logic and values, unlike us mere mortals.

BTW I watched Fox News in the US when I was there. In particular one Bill Reilly. His/their strapline is that it's news, not opinion. In his show, re Obama and Iraq, it was one solid hour of entire opinion, no news whatsoever, and none of that tedious explanation of opinion either. Your source must be just the opposite.

Well of course what I wrote is opinion rather than News. I don't think I claimed that it was a News Bulletin did I?

I'd have thought that The o'Reilly Factor, if they still call it that, was obviously opinion based too. You do know, do you, that stations in the USA don't have to be unbiased ? Fox are Pro Republican, CNN are Pro Democrat etc etc. wants any of that got to do with anything though ?

If you can have a "source" for opinion, then my source is what I earnestly believe to be the truth. You may disagree with it, and no doubt you do, but in the end I am quite confident that the truth- wherever it lies - will prevail.

So you didn't answer then.
The "truth".
Isn't that we all think?
Once again, if you distrust what you hear from the BBC, where do you get the "truth"? The BBC's charter to maintain balance, whether or not you think it does, is irrelevant to the question.

[Royal24s]

What on earth has this got to do with the BBC Charter ? Where did that spring from?
I told you, I stated my opinion , which I formed myself, and which I believe to be true. Did you know that not everybody has a source for their thoughts and conclusions?

[Royal24s]

UKIP is a personality cult surrounding one man, they have no policies and the party has a high average age and more than its fair share of oddballs.

A vote for UKIP will let the Labour Party in by the back door, they have a left-wing anti-business agenda, there will be no EU referendum, there will be no English home rule, We will go back to the misguided social policies, bloated public sector and higher borrowing because Labour never learn from their mistakes and neither do their union overlords.

Cameron isn't perfect by any means and the Conservatives, like all political parties, have both good and bad MPs but compared to the alternative of Miliband, Balls, and Harman they are by a long way the least worst option.

Vote for UKIP by all means it is your democratic right but don't complain when we have a Labour government with no EU referendum and Scottish and Welsh MPs lauding it over the English.

As I said - vote for our bloody idiot or you'll get the other bloody idiot - Hobson's Choice, threats and blackmail .
Well, as I thought I explained fully, No Thanks! If we get Milliband so be it because unless we've got the courage to reject this sort of ultimatum we will NEVER get our country back, and we intend to . The momentum is at long last there!

[m4rkb]

One Conservative MP has been caught out in a lurid sex scandal, and another has defected to UKIP . That Party has said very little about the first, but mobilised its full propaganda machine to vilify the second.
According to Grant Shapps , it was very dishonest indeed of the Member who was about to jump ship to have failed to mention this in advance, although many might think that this is splitting hairs. Indeed, many might think that if this is the worst example of dishonesty on the part of Mr Reckless , that he must be a pretty honest man.
It's nice to know that Mr Shapps is being vigilant about lies and dishonesty in his Party, but he seems to have missed a few things. He hasn't noticed or deemed it worthy of mention that the aforesaid Member in the sex scandal must have told some quite involved lies to maintain his position before he was caught out, nor that his own esteemed leader has lied repeatedly.
The obvious example of this being the " cast iron" promise he made that we would get a subsequent referendum on the European Constitution, and the reason why it is the obvious example is that he seems to be at it again!  He says he will call a referendum on continued membership of the EU, ( whilst leaving himself several transparent get-out clauses), but does anyone believe him?
- Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!

The fact is that there is a growing support for UKIP , perhaps for very similar reasons to the very close result to the recent referendum in the North. People are actually sick of the shenanigans of the Westminster tri-Party caucus, who seem to believe in nothing at all other than their own self interests and the sanctity of gay marriage, ( the unexpected issue which Mr Cameroon pushed ahead of the economy, poverty and national security without having mentioned it in his manifesto).

These odious individuals think they've got a RIGHT to govern, and their contempt for the people who elect them and the country itself is quite stunning. Whether they label themselves Conservative , Labour or Lib Dems, they like each other a lot more than they like us. Perhaps you are one of those who vote on tribal lines and will remain loyal to your designated Party no matter how much they kick you and contempt you, but actually, if you can see much difference between any if them, you must have very sharp eyesight indeed.

In the recent referendum they relied upon threats and fear, and they very nearly came unstuck in that. They didn't learn anything from that though.

Over and over, we hear two arguments from the Conservatives about why we shouldn't vote UKIP .
Firstly, that only by electing a conservative government can we get a referendum on Europe and secondly that if we vote UKIP we may get Ed Milliband and Labour in power.
Well, no one in their right minds could possibly belief that they'll really give us a referendum , and even though I've generally voted Conservative for the last 40 years or so, I've seen a few Labour governments and prime ministers before and I can put up with another one if that's what it takes.

They seem to be saying, elect our bloody idiot because if you don't ,you'll get the only other bloody idiot on offer. It's Hobson's Choice, so forget any thoughts you may have had about genuine democratic choice and do as we say!

Well, I've got news for them. People are not satisfied with that anymore. If they think UKIP intend to cause a bit if a disruption , register a few protest votes then go away, they're wrong.
UKIP , in common with the other new Parties which will emerge, are there to fill a vacuum - to provide the people of Britain with real representation which has been denied to them for several decades. The aim is government, and whilst that will realistically not be achieved in one election, the short - or long-term outcome for the Conservative party is of absolutely no account to UKIP whatsoever. Like its fake socialist affiliate , the Labour Party, it has betrayed the people who believed its lies and betrayed the nation. It must face the political consequences of that, which will sooner or later be political oblivion.

UKIP , rather like the SNP actually , is not as the Westminster Village still likes to think, a protest group, but the personification of a very real rejection of their own corrupt and self seeking mismanagement of the country, and dereliction of their duty to that country and it's people.

If former conservatives have to live with Ed Milliband or former labour voters have to live with conservative government for a while, they will do that rather than be blackmailed any more by the political classes into accepting electoral emasculation .
The British are a tough people, who have put up with far worse things than Ed Milliband to secure their eventual freedom and democracy. We are , on the whole, a good and decent people who have shown many times our ability to overcome adversity and create great outcomes for the world.
We are NOT rubbish Mr Cameroon, and we are tired of you telling us that we are.
We are NOT just obedient peasants who will struggle on in the absence of the great industries you have destroyed , cutting each other's hair and delivering pizzas to each other, to pay rent and taxes to our Feudal overlords in Europe, while you benefit from their generosity like the Reeve of the county.
We are NOT scared to compete economically with China cause they're so big. They've always been big.

If your whole argument that you should be elected is to threaten us with the consequences of failing to do that, you've already lost. You deal in fear, and fear alone. You try to scare people into doing what you say, and you try to make people too scared to even try to succeed or achieve anything which is outside your control and your own interests.

Well, Bad news Mr Cameroon. People are on to you !

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Post of the year.

Well said that man. !

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+ another.

I have to admit there is plenty wrong with UKIP at the moment, namely some of the candidates they attract. But no one else has done anything to even remotely ruffle the feathers of the two main preening parties who get in one after the other after each election. We're fed up of it and it is not serving any proper democratic advantage to any of us. The current system just keeps metropolitan elite politicians in a job.

I very much agree that if The Tory Party needs to be destroyed in order to rebuild it, it might be a price worth paying. Unfortunately Labour and it's pro immigrant, milk the rich and give to the feckless to waste is never going to suffer in the same way.

Plus there is nothing to stop an incumbent Miliband claiming the country has voted for his brand of Marxism and huge waves of yet more immigration to water down the native populus even more so the right wing is replaced with people who want to be ruled by champagne socialist types with no understanding of sound economics but make up for it with their general hatred of anybody wealthy provided it is not themselves.

The only problem is the further damage Labour do to the fabric of the country in the meantime. This is the only stumbling block for many when stood at the ballot box.

[Steve Hunt]

UKIP is a personality cult surrounding one man, they have no policies and the party has a high average age and more than its fair share of oddballs.

A vote for UKIP will let the Labour Party in by the back door.

Sorry HJ, but your post perfectly illustrates Royals point.

I am amazed that you seem to have a blind spot with the Tories. As m4rkb says, perhaps they need to be destroyed in order to rebuild.

Be honest, HJ - it isn't really a conservative party these days, is it? At best, one could describe it as "liberal-lite".

UKIP are merely filling the void left by the Tories when they shifted so comprehensively to the Left.

[colinthewarriormonkey]

I have to admit there is plenty wrong with UKIP at the moment, namely some of the candidates they attract. But no one else has done anything to even remotely ruffle the feathers of the two main preening parties who get in one after the other after each election. We're fed up of it and it is not serving any proper democratic advantage to any of us. The current system just keeps metropolitan elite politicians in a job.

I very much agree that if The Tory Party needs to be destroyed in order to rebuild it, it might be a price worth paying. Unfortunately Labour and it's pro immigrant, milk the rich and give to the feckless to waste is never going to suffer in the same way.

Plus there is nothing to stop an incumbent Miliband claiming the country has voted for his brand of Marxism and huge waves of yet more immigration to water down the native populus even more so the right wing is replaced with people who want to be ruled by champagne socialist types with no understanding of sound economics but make up for it with their general hatred of anybody wealthy provided it is not themselves.

The only problem is the further damage Labour do to the fabric of the country in the meantime. This is the only stumbling block for many when stood at the ballot box.

Bang on Mark

I wouldn't ordinarily vote for UKIP, for many of the reasons HJ mentioned. However this conservative party is nothing like the one I voted for in my youth. They are a wishy washy bunch of clueless posh boys who have never had a proper job. It seems to me that politics is their stepping stone, they get in, make a few good mates in private industry, a few favourable decisions to set them up with a lucrative directorship job when they leave.

I genuinely don't believe that they give a shit about the country, only about themselves and their future prospects - the same goes for Moribund and his cronies.

The "Tories" need to be fucked off, and get back to having conservatives at the helm.

I am a conservative not a Tory - there is a big difference, I agree with the following entirely.


A conservative is in favour of grammar schools, whereas a tory sees their destruction as helpful to the preservation of their own public school educated dynasties.

A conservative believes in the wealth-creation of free market capitalism, whereas a tory is happy with corporatism, better preserving as it does the old boy network.

A conservative would support traditional marriage, whereas a tory sees little value in doing so, as the breakdown of marriage damages the poor far more the than the rich.

A conservative would help the traditional family in the tax system, whereas a tory sees the lower orders as mere units of production to be sent out to work.

A conservative would believe in limiting immigration, not least because of it's impact on local communities, a tory has no interest in doing so and just sees another source of cheap labour.

A conservative would support meritocracy, whereas a tory would be quite happy with gender quotas, knowing how these can be subverted to create an elite of extremely wealthy power-couples and concentrate wealth still further.

A conservative would support a free market in energy, whereas a tory supports wind farm subsidies, as they transfer resources from the taxed poor to those with landed estates.

A conservative has set principles, whereas a tory is a Vicar Of Bray.

http://www.bloggers4ukip.org.uk/2013/10 ... ryism.html

[Steve Hunt]

I genuinely don't believe that they give a shit about the country, only about themselves and their future prospects - the same goes for Moribund and his cronies.

Yup. That's how I see it.

[Roy Twing]

UKIP is a personality cult surrounding one man, they have no policies and the party has a high average age and more than its fair share of oddballs.

A vote for UKIP will let the Labour Party in by the back door.

Sorry HJ, but your post perfectly illustrates Royals point.

I am amazed that you seem to have a blind spot with the Tories. As m4rkb says, perhaps they need to be destroyed in order to rebuild.

Be honest, HJ - it isn't really a conservative party these days, is it? At best, one could describe it as "liberal-lite".

UKIP are merely filling the void left by the Tories when they shifted so comprehensively to the Left.

That is absolutely spot on in my opinion also.
Problem is, as the elite know only too well, every day that passes, due to their social engineering, the overall shift is towards the political centre.

[Roy Twing]

The bad news is that every day that passes, the traditional conservative in this country has less and less importance to the party that uses their name:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09 ... _hp_ref=uk

[the rotary club]

And why does that concern you? You aren't a traditional conservative after all in FACT you are a fickle follower of political fashion - from Blair to Griffin to Farage whatever is in vogue this week you are on it.

[Royal24s]

UKIP is a personality cult surrounding one man, they have no policies and the party has a high average age and more than its fair share of oddballs.

A vote for UKIP will let the Labour Party in by the back door.

Sorry HJ, but your post perfectly illustrates Royals point.

I am amazed that you seem to have a blind spot with the Tories. As m4rkb says, perhaps they need to be destroyed in order to rebuild.

Be honest, HJ - it isn't really a conservative party these days, is it? At best, one could describe it as "liberal-lite".

UKIP are merely filling the void left by the Tories when they shifted so comprehensively to the Left.

That is absolutely spot on in my opinion also.
Problem is, as the elite know only too well, every day that passes, due to their social engineering, the overall shift is towards the political centre.

Yes absolutely
The CINO Party , ( Conservatives in Name Only), are right up there at the trough with the fake liberals and fake socialists. None of them believe in anything whatsoever except their own interests in terms of power and money - and they see the best prospects of that in selling out their own country and culture to a central clique of bankers and money men who envisage a world government which controls all industry and commerce and forbids competition so that they alone can prosper.
Yes the CINO Party needs to be destroyed before anyone can move forward. Let's not mince our words here. They've gone over to the dark side and there's no coming back for them.
I've voted Conservative for many decades, but these people are plain traitors who've taken 30 pieces of silver from the EU and they are not any more desirable than the Monster Raving New Labour Party.
Bring on Mr Milliband. At least we can have an honest debate with him instead of trying to deal with someone who is lying about his aims and loyalties.

[the rotary club]

Much as I am loath to agree with a Tory prime minster on any issue I do concede he had a point with fruitcakes loonies and closet racists.

[Royal24s]

Much as I am loath to agree with a Tory prime minster on any issue I do concede he had a point with fruitcakes loonies and closet racists.

Well, at least he's appealing to the Left then.

[Royal24s]

And why does that concern you? You aren't a traditional conservative after all in FACT you are a fickle follower of political fashion - from Blair to Griffin to Farage whatever is in vogue this week you are on it.

Yeah that's right. Isn't it bloody stupid to support candidates based upon their policies and what you agree with ?
He should be tribal like you, and understand that once you have either chosen or inherited a Party, you must stick stubbornly with them and justify whatever they do !
The problem is that you've got religious, rather than political beliefs in your Party, and you just cannot grasp the idea of changing your vote according to the issues presently dictating priorities.