Kate McCann contemplated suicide

[Carlos J]

Wasn't going to post anything at the moment, but then hey, heard Sandy Warr mention the McCann twitter take down, so why not have a few stories from the weekend as there have been many. Twitter row first:

@findmadeleine blocked @FindBenNeedham saying "we do not want to be associated with some of the types of people they @FindBenNeedham follow."

Fuck that twatter shite. Needham's campaign rightly replied:

After recent events on Twitter, namely being blocked by the Official Find Madeleine Campaign we felt it only fair to have our say. The campaign blocked us due to "the type of people who follow us and the people we follow." Just to clear we follow everyone back who follows us out of courtesy. Every follower means support for Ben - nothing more. Admin.
Please read the following statement direct from Kerry Needham . Please do not make this a war between missing people's families. The ONLY reason Kerry ever mentions the Mccanns is outlining the differences in government backing. Her problem is with the authorities NOT the Mccanns and their search for their daughter which we FULLY support.

And was unblocked. Kerry Needham, simple and correct as ever:

“Ben’s campaign has never been anti McCann — we can’t help the fact that some members of the public give their opinion about the McCann case just the same as people give their opinion about Ben’s case.

“I have never once spoken badly about the family, I have only ever given my opinion about the way the two cases have been handled so differently by the authorities.”

Also, surprisingly from The Sun, though indeed:

Some individuals followed by Ben’s Twitter account are known to take an anti-McCann stance.

One tweeted: “How the hell is Kate McCann an ambassador (of charity Missing People)? She left her three kids alone to go on the p***.”

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -blow.html
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2015-1 ... n-account/
http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update ... -campaign/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/be ... ar_twitter

And lo, the McCann's twatter site is down. The website is not and you can still buy T-shirts and wristbands: http://findmadeleine.com/home.html

What other McCann news?

Amaral appeal apparently starting this week. And Amaral appeal has gone over £50G: https://www.gofundme.com/Legal-DefencePJGA Old Jerry Lawton in the Star not happy: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest- ... net-trolls

Now was surprised about the verdict, but the legalities and all that the Judge used. All points raised by the Judge back somewhere, will maybe link later. But Amaral turned over the banning of his book. but not sure all the Amaral fan club, and yes I quote his book, should get overexcited.

And also in other news. After all her guff and stuff, old Sonia Poulton, as per much here, former crap on Icke channel before the two had a most amusing falling out, talking about her film, and lo, on the anniversary of Brenda Leyland's death, did release a trailer. As per, Brunt doorsteped Leyland, doorstepping the Virgin Kate ain't good for anything, IMO.

Time will tell when/if the socalled documentary airs. McCann sites having pissing contests most amusing:

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A quiet weekend in McCann world and it all kicks off again.

[Carlos J]

Scotland Yard scales down to four of their finest. Hey some of Clarry as well. : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34661256

And: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -girl.html

One for those in the 'The Lords', thread, someone did ask questions in September.

Oh noes. Let's go back a month. Dear Baron Black of Torygraph, press type, asked about coin and time:
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... 08/HL2087/

And his follow up and answer: http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... 20/HL2768/

And lo, we have Operation Grange scaling riight down: http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-o ... e=sendgrid

As always, SY remit, investigating as an abduction

Grange on their remit was interesting. We had patsys named and shamed under DCI Redwood of the Yard. Some fella wearing an Arsenal top sneaking into bedrooms was interesting but hey, only rumour and remembered when home and not near May 2007.

But Operation Grange, from Redwood of the Yard on Crimewatch removing Tannerman and going back to Smithman, a known known,

Here is Operation Grange's remit and remember 'as if the abduction occurred in the UK'
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/pres ... 1_2012.htm

Grange is down to 4 as all the collating of old and new stuff done and now socalled 'lines to pursue'. Spend the rest of the £2M budget well, plod.

Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley, from the MPS said: "The Met investigation has been painstaking and thorough and has for the first time brought together in one place what was disparate information across the world.

"This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her.

"We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case. We have given this assurance to Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann.

A proper review to a common man would include interviewing all parties at the scene, Saint Gerald and the Virgin kate plus the Tapas 7. For their contradictions are myriad.

Operation Grange has told tales of various queer types causing bother in and around PdL around 2007. They have all been ruled out, hey as per this thread, Scotland Yard likes to tell crims they know them and are coming to get them.

And lo, despite the weekend meeja reports about Krokowski, he will be no patsy to find for this socalled abduction.

Operation Grange will close next year, same as the PJ, not enough evidence anywhere. And there be that for eternity.

[Steve Hunt]

Operation Grange will close next year, same as the PJ, not enough evidence anywhere. And there be that for eternity.

I suspect that you are right and that will be the end of that, Carlos.

[delboy1983]

Hope she leaves a note

[m4rkb]

I'd loved to see a fly on the wall documentary following these plod swanning around the Algarve following up these leads, as well as the expense list they put in on the way.

I'm also sure the cost of all of this has come up more than a few times.

Five years in and with the rumour mill constantly reporting that if something doesn't crop up soon the company credit card is having it's limit cut , some 'anonymous witness' suddenly remembers seeing a strange bloke lifting a small child out of a the exact flat window and bundling it into the boot of a car which then screeched off at high speed. Despite a massive worldwide campaign he never thought much of it until now.

Plod immediately book first class to Portugal and meet up with him in the flashest bar in town. After a few liveners fed to the bloke who can't be named they now have new leads, overtime and increased limit on the card.

I reckon the Police are taking the utter piss to be honest, but as it's the Police no one thought to say so.

[AlcoholBrazil]

I'd loved to see a fly on the wall documentary following these plod swanning around the Algarve following up these leads, as well as the expense list they put in on the way.

Would probably lead to a lot of sports bars showing La Liga or Premier League matches. Where better to hide a missing child than a crowd of
beer drinkers watching football ?

[Carlos J]

Did you see 'The Missing' on BBC last year, AB? Nesbitt not as bad as can be, ending not ambiguous as he could not let go. Many allusions in meeja to Maddie, but hey any missing child situation is going to have allusions to Maddie.

Young Ollie disappeared whilst in a crowd of beer drinkers watching football. BBC tight on video, so rather than the scene, a mere trailer:

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Err, no he didn't, Express: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/616077 ... r-children

[Carlos J]

Now now CJ.....

Richard D. Hall is alright.

Yeah, beingsoblase. i liked his first video, 'BURIED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA - The True Story of Madeleine McCann', well the first part especially as review here: https://www.talkforum.co.uk/viewtopic.p ... 70#p662660

Less keen on his second effort, 'The Phantoms' as review here: https://www.talkforum.co.uk/viewtopic.p ... start=1065

I've not watched any of his other non-Maddie videos but it is his posts on forums that based my opinions on. As said comes across as some sort of guru demanding this and that. Maybe cunt was too harsh a word, dick might have been better. As stated, impressed by his levels of research but some flaws there.

And lo, Richard D Hall has another 4hr epic out, this time called "When Madeleine Died'. In four one hour parts:

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Or one four hour part:

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My reviews of his previous films are linked above. Some background as to why less keen on the second. Well, read the reviews. Hall uses the research of Tony Bennett, a metric martyr, God bothering socalled researcher who has a fiefdom on the CMOMM forum. Bennett slurs Bobby Murat relentlessly and incorrectly (he did not book a last minute flight from Exeter to Faro**) and the Smith family, Hall does this in his films. Further comment here from April 26, 2015: https://www.talkforum.co.uk/viewtopic.p ... 80#p802635

Note Hall is going to do another show on Murat. Note one person who is anti-Murat and anti-Smithman is that queer old cove Tony Bennett. His greasy and duplicitous fingers are all over Hall's analysis.

Why do I often mention Bennett? He makes me laugh. Like Hall's anaylsis it is list-orientated, however tenuous.
Bennett is one of those 'investigators' who thinks lists of dubious relevance followed by connections to it and assumptions makes it a socalled fact. Note, Hall stating "he's not saying it, just asking the question" just to be legally nice, as he is not talking facts, he is opinionating.

Bennett has err 'investigated' the Smith family background including schoolage daughter Aolfie Smith and then amongst his investigations last year was found to be investigaiting another Martin Smith
See Bennett called up here and his grovelling reply. Internecine forum shite, it's great:
http://fytton.blogspot.nl/2014_12_01_ar ... ew=classic
http://nottextusa.blogspot.co.uk/2014_1 ... chive.html

Bennett has pages and pages of lists about Smithman and Bobby Murat, sadly after his cock up, most have been moved to the members section of his forum. But his bigging up of Hall, comments and links as per and current posts shows Hall is connected to him and this threatens to spoil any work Hall is doing.

** Interesting if this is in the video as relates to timelimes. It is a myth perpetuated by many that Murat booked the flight to Faro on May 1 2007 at the last minute as he 'rushed back'. The PJ files show his confirmation on 30 April 2007. Eighth down: http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/oa/OA6_1/o_a ... _p1195.jpg

But that is an aside that may come up. The CMOMM forum has had a thread about this video for a month or so: http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12362 ... leine-died Forgot to add to the Gaunt thread, he features on their home page. What the thread tells us is the film will challenge the official time of disappearance and also Amaral's belief, that it happened on the evening of Thursday 3 May, 2007, and it could have happened as early as Sunday 29 April 2007.

This is a popular, though IMO, bonkers theory perpetrated by Bennett and others including some Canadian dope called Lizzy 'HideHo' Taylor who gets namechecked. Socalled evidence seems to be the last photo was faked as the weather was cold on the Thursday yet warm on the Sunday, anomalies on the creche attendance sheets (yes, the nannies were lax) and Maddie seemingly not seen by anyone since the Sunday.

Though surely this theory has to say that the Tapas 7 were all colluding with the McCann's throughout the week having not seen Maddie and then the 'abduction' was raised on the Thursday. This is all worked out using the process mentioned above. Bennett will have an idea and look for connections and assumptions to make it fit. Not go where the evidence leads. As said, IMO, bonkers, and damages credibility of those looking for justice for Madeleine.

That is a brief summary of the theory from memory, will see how much of it is mentioned in the video. I expect lots.

Anyway, let's start a review of part 1. And let's stop after nearly 4 minutes. First Hall sentence about MSM and elites using it for nefarious purposes. Fair enough, many believe it. Then, talking about his first video and how "I presented the evidence of the alerts provided by two cadaver dogs which suggested there had been a body in the McCann's apartment". Accompanied by a picture of Eddie and Keela.

Now this is McCann 101. Eddie is a cadaver (EVRD) dog and Keela is a blood (CSI) dog. Martin Grimes, their trainer at the time who was with them in PdL states as much in his report of August 2007: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm 10th down, #2473:

I have trained and handle two operational specialist search dogs:
'Eddie' is a 7-year-old English Springer spaniel dog who is trained as an
Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (EVRD).
'Keela' is a three-year old English Springer spaniel bitch who is trained as an
Human blood search dog (C.S.I. dog).

This is less than four minutes in and a basic error of facts. I may have to get my notepad out. But we will give it a chance.

[m4rkb]

I watched the first one of four and fair play to the bloke he's definitely put some interesting material together questioning the goings on. Rest assured that I'm always here doing my bit to find poor Maddie.

If she is still alive, her back end will have been stretched that much she'd be a good contributor in the hard anal sections of various porn sites. I haven't seen anyone that I think is her so far but I'll keep looking.

#PrayforMaddie

[Carlos J]

I watched the first one of four and fair play to the bloke he's definitely put some interesting material together questioning the goings on. Rest assured that I'm always here doing my bit to find poor Maddie.

If she is still alive, her back end will have been stretched that much she'd be a good contributor in the hard anal sections of various porn sites. I haven't seen anyone that I think is her so far but I'll keep looking.

#PrayforMaddie

You will get reports for your explicit comments , m4rk. But in reality, if taken by paedophiles as believed by Kate and Gerald initially, therefore early death can only be a respite over the horrors those who have been kept captive for years, some luckily being found later.

Still not sure how it rolls with Gerald beliveing her alive, though the stolen for a childless couple is always there. But as per, why not a younger twin.

Anyway, only 49 mins in. He does have interesting material, everyone has that material, but as per, there is too much conjecture, big lists as expected. I can see where it is going as per my post. So both nannies are in on it as well? Think Nanny Cat did go to Rothley later.

You cannot produce evidence by dismissing that you do not agree with and elaborating that on which you agree with. That is a Bennett trick and that is what Hall is doing. There are myriad contradictions needing answers.

That is why the SY Operation Grange should have looked at it as a disappearance, not as an abduction and questioned all involved. The truth is out there.

[Dinger]

I watched the first one of four and fair play to the bloke he's definitely put some interesting material together questioning the goings on. Rest assured that I'm always here doing my bit to find poor Maddie.

If she is still alive, her back end will have been stretched that much she'd be a good contributor in the hard anal sections of various porn sites. I haven't seen anyone that I think is her so far but I'll keep looking.

#PrayforMaddie

Weird wanker.

[Carlos J]

If Madeleine is still alive, either she is with a childless couple brought up nicely. Or she is not and has lived a hellish experiennce for nearly nine years. Tasteless comment maybe but not possibly untrue. Though I beieve not.

Edmonds/Hodge stuff documented years ago. It was weird Tony Bennett who wrote to him.

And lo, I am right. Hall is now going to get down and dirty on the last photo and also say she was not seen since the Sunday. Not with evidence, but with lack of evidence.

I'm giving part 1 a Carlos 3.5/10.

[m4rkb]

Pure sarcasm and scathing contempt for a scenario with so many holes in it rather than any weirdness. Poor girl's dead I'm sure, so RIP.

Who did it and how it relates to all the inconsistencies is an answer we all await.

[m4rkb]

If Madeleine is still alive, either she is with a childless couple brought up nicely. Or she is not and has lived a hellish experiennce for nearly nine years. Tasteless comment maybe but not possibly untrue. Though I beieve not.

Edmonds/Hodge stuff documented years ago. It was weird Tony Bennett who wrote to him.

And lo, I am right. Hall is now going to get down and dirty on the last photo and also say she was not seen since the Sunday. Not with evidence, but with lack of evidence.

I'm giving part 1 a Carlos 3.5/10.

I'll put my hands up to that comment being a bit beyond the pale.

No offence intended towards the girl, but every offence intended towards whatever is being covered up here. With so many obvious inconsistencies it all feels like no one is really putting any pressure on anyone to get the truth. I smell a large rat.

[Carlos J]

The problem is m4rk, good as Hall is for making the videos, same as forum myths becoming truths, some people take all as gospel. He's made errors, allegations, dismissals often with conjecture. Such as comments about Oldfield in his interview. They are his reading. The PJ files are there. That is why there are sdo many contradictions in interviews much later. They will have been referenced, but no one knew the PJ files would be released.

[m4rkb]

The problem is m4rk, good as Hall is for making the videos, same as forum myths becoming truths, some people take all as gospel. He's made errors, allegations, dismissals often with conjecture. Such as comments about Oldfield in his interview. They are his reading. The PJ files are there. That is why there are sdo many contradictions in interviews much later. They will have been referenced, but no one knew the PJ files would be released.

I can tell his videos are potentially full of holes Carlos without knowing the exact reason compared to better sources.
But in the grand scheme of things all is not right with this case and there seems a real reluctance to put people under the spotlight.

Maybe the Portuguese investigation was so incompetent it hampers a proper conviction due to some technicality in law.

If I were to be quizzed on times and events on anything I'd fuck up. I'm the worst in the world and can't even back fill my own diary after two days. Times and dates are a genuine mental block with me but the MCcans would have to be both the same to make as many fuck ups.

[Carlos J]

The problem is m4rk, good as Hall is for making the videos, same as forum myths becoming truths, some people take all as gospel. He's made errors, allegations, dismissals often with conjecture. Such as comments about Oldfield in his interview. They are his reading. The PJ files are there. That is why there are sdo many contradictions in interviews much later. They will have been referenced, but no one knew the PJ files would be released.

I can tell his videos are potentially full of holes Carlos without knowing the exact reason compared to better sources.
But in the grand scheme of things all is not right with this case and there seems a real reluctance to put people under the spotlight.

Maybe the Portuguese investigation was so incompetent it hampers a proper conviction due to some technicality in law.

If I were to be quizzed on times and events on anything I'd fuck up. I'm the worst in the world and can't even back fill my own diary after two days. Times and dates are a genuine mental block with me but the MCcans would have to be both the same to make as many fuck ups.

There is lots queer. Having a review, m4rk. Operation Grange as if an abduction took place after Brooks' comments to Davey Boy. No plod review in seriousness would not interview all involved. If I was plod involved I would be ashamed to look for wandering paedoes and smelly binmen as Grange did to justify their coin.

The PJ investigation was as good as it could be, though Amaral admits CCTV cameras could have been checked sooner.

When the Tapas have already written timelimes x 2 on Maddie's book before plod arrived: http://www.mccannfiles.com/id261.html you see it. Amarall had his investigation and idea.

Now, Hall and some McCann types go back to Sunday. Aside offering opinion where Maddie wasn't. One hopes Hall can offer opinion of where she was for those four days in the next three videos.

[beingsoblase]

Thanks for the heads up cj, one interesting thing is, does Richard hall expect people to apply the believe half thing to his own stuff?

[Zambo]

I don't think a parent can ever let go in this situation, but Hopkins is right about the rest. If they had done that on day one, instead of insisting they did nothing wrong, they would have saved themselves juggernauts full of the shit aimed at them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... et-go.html

[sjbarca]

I don't think a parent can ever let go in this situation, but Hopkins is right about the rest. If they had done that on day one, instead of insisting they did nothing wrong, they would have saved themselves juggernauts full of the shit aimed at them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... et-go.html

That's a good read!

[Northern Troglodite]

It stunk on day one, it still stinks to this day years later......Kids still gone , but they have won a legal case or two along the way, which have been pursued with vigour earning a fortune ......another reason they aren't liked

[m4rkb]

I do like Hopkins. Overall she says things that are not supposed to be said due to the over delicate nature of people's emotions. She invades people's safe spaces and comes out with stuff pretty much nail on head. All the green thumbs-up massively outweighed the red thumbs-down in the comments section underneath that article so I sense the British public's sympathy is very much lacking.

If you really must blame someone, then Kate and Gerry are right there in front of you. And yet, protected by some invisible force-shield I don’t understand.

[Carlos J]

Halfway thorough part 2 and will rest there. Will only add the odd comment. Lizzy 'HideHo' included. So nanny Amy Tierney is lying in her statement? That is the third nanny Hall has accused. Why are these nannies all lying? Have they been giving coin? Are they all colluding in something bigger? Maybe Hall will expand.

I did read elsewhere he mentions Bobby Murat 'rushing back' as wondered yesterday: https://www.talkforum.co.uk/viewtopic.p ... 25#p913222

Last photo stuff now and more fun to come.

[shabbado]

Katie Hopkins in saying what most sensible people / parents have been thinking for years regarding this case.

The vapid bitch

[Carlos J]

Old Pat Brown has a new blog about the Hall video and Avery, which I will link in the relevant thread. Brown, first noticed here on page 9 where Colin thought something and dear Notin thought was a man, and I described as a: "A meeja crime whore basically" and "Err criminal profiler waffling shite on blogspot. Not internet detectives. "

Sometimes though she gets it right: http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk ... genda.html
As per about using evidence to fit a theory and casually dismissing that, that does not fit.

I also just finished watching Richard Hall's third installment in his documentary about the Madeleine McCann case called When Madeleine Died?. The filmmaker presented many pieces of information and demonstrated to the audience what he believe happened in this case, but, again, what I saw was a profile based on theory, not on the evidence.

Both Making a Murderer and When Madeleine Died? are intended to convince the audience that the theory being presented is the only one that makes sense, that it is logical, and that there is evidence to support the theory. In reality, the profiles of these cases require a solid belief in the theory the agenda is promoting; "evidence" is either misconstrued, ignored, or created. The material presented is intended to seem sensible but to actually agree with the conclusions of the filmmakers one must suspend a good deal of logic altogether.

Will finish the last two hours today.