The rise of UKIP - part 3

[Steve Hunt]

If Farage doesn't decide to continue indefinitely as leader, it is the end I think.

He won't continue & it is the end, Roy.

They have self destructed. In fact, this thread should be renamed "The Fall of UKIP",

[subsub]

If Farage doesn't decide to continue indefinitely as leader, it is the end I think

Good, and not before time.
Horrible little racist party.

[Steve Hunt]

If Farage doesn't decide to continue indefinitely as leader, it is the end I think

Good, and not before time.
Horrible little racist party.

Are you suggesting that all the people who have voted UKIP are racist, including me - Sub?

[The Tick]

to be fair to subsub, he was referring directly to the party itself.

[ccreds]

Have UKIP amalgamated with the BNP or absorbed the BNP?

[Steve Hunt]

to be fair to subsub, he was referring directly to the party itself.

An argument could easily be made that the current Labour Party is far more racist than UKIP, Tick.

[Hillman avenger]

to be fair to subsub, he was referring directly to the party itself.

An argument could easily be made that the current Labour Party is far more racist than UKIP, Tick.

I agree in at least that for a lot of Labour supporters being pro-arab requires you to be anti=semitic.

But how you would know in general I don't know.

From my limited acquaintance with UKIP in numbers, I would say the people I have met to be markedly racist and xenophobic- and that was even in a place where there is little immigrant community. It is emphasised because they have such a limited agenda with immigration and multiculturalism at the top.

[ccreds]

There was a approach before the 2009 euro elections from the BNP to UKIP, and the BNP wanted a deal where both parties won't stand against each other in certain seats. Heard that in a interview Paul Nuttall and Matt Forde.

[Steve Hunt]

to be fair to subsub, he was referring directly to the party itself.

An argument could easily be made that the current Labour Party is far more racist than UKIP, Tick.

I agree in at least that for a lot of Labour supporters being pro-arab requires you to be anti=semitic.

Indeed:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 4163,d.bGs

[Steve Hunt]

From my limited acquaintance with UKIP in numbers, I would say the people I have met to be markedly racist and xenophobic.

Are you saying that these people are exclusively supporters of UKIP?

Are you saying that the Labour Party (particularly in traditional working class areas) & the Tory Party does not have supporters with a similar mindset?

[Steve Hunt]

There was a approach before the 2009 euro elections from the BNP to UKIP, and the BNP wanted a deal where both parties won't stand against each other in certain seats. Heard that in a interview Paul Nuttall and Matt Forde.

If you have been a member of the BNP (or, before that, the National Front), you are not allowed to join UKIP.

It is in UKIP's constitution, ccreds

[The Tick]

to be fair to subsub, he was referring directly to the party itself.

An argument could easily be made that the current Labour Party is far more racist than UKIP, Tick.

I agree in at least that for a lot of Labour supporters being pro-arab requires you to be anti=semitic.

Indeed:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 4163,d.bGs

That doesn't make Labour a racist party. They are no more in control of their voters than UKIP are of theirs, going by your argument.

UKIP members and senior figures are on record for expressing racist/xenophobic sentiment.

[m4rkb]

How the Labour party pretends to be a non racist organisation is another mystery to me. Every race related riot known to man has been in a Labour stronghold and working class estates up and down the country are the ones flying the kind of flags Emily Thornbury disapproves of. An amazing piece of spin.

But as far as UKIP is concerned I fear Steve has called it exactly right. We can only hope Teresa May is as appealing to the sensible electorate as the polls claim or we're back to tribal voting which could see Corbyn in power with his hard left cabinet of traitors.

[Steve Hunt]

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That doesn't make Labour a racist party. They are no more in control of their voters than UKIP are of theirs.

Exactly the point I was trying (clearly badly!) to make.

[The Tick]

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That doesn't make Labour a racist party. They are no more in control of their voters than UKIP are of theirs.

Exactly the point I was trying (clearly badly!) to make.

The difference is that UKIP party members have been racist. Nothing of the sort has happened with Labour members.

[Hillman avenger]

From my limited acquaintance with UKIP in numbers, I would say the people I have met to be markedly racist and xenophobic.

Are you saying that these people are exclusively supporters of UKIP?

Are you saying that the Labour Party (particularly in traditional working class areas) & the Tory Party does not have supporters with a similar mindset?

Of course I didn't interview them one to one but considering it was a General Election the whole two hours of so was based on stirring up frustrations- for example,the NHS- and then connecting them to "open borders". As narrow as that. Or else, or simultaneously, it was Brussel's fault -even energy charges.
That was with Nuttall and Hamilton.

[The Tick]

How the Labour party pretends to be a non racist organisation is another mystery to me. Every race related riot known to man has been in a Labour stronghold and working class estates up and down the country are the ones flying the kind of flags Emily Thornbury disapproves of. An amazing piece of spin.

But as far as UKIP is concerned I fear Steve has called it exactly right. We can only hope Teresa May is as appealing to the sensible electorate as the polls claim or we're back to tribal voting which could see Corbyn in power with his hard left cabinet of traitors.

Labour strongholds are poor areas, where immigrants congregate due to lack of choice. That isn't Labour's fault, and it doesn't make them racist.

tory areas are mainly mono-racial and/or affluent, hence the lack of race riots there.

[Darkyboy]

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That doesn't make Labour a racist party. They are no more in control of their voters than UKIP are of theirs.

Exactly the point I was trying (clearly badly!) to make.

The difference is that UKIP party members have been racist. Nothing of the sort has happened with Labour members.

You are utterly deluded as always Tick. Try the shadow Home Secretary for instance. Try yourself for instance.

[The Tick]

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That doesn't make Labour a racist party. They are no more in control of their voters than UKIP are of theirs.

Exactly the point I was trying (clearly badly!) to make.

The difference is that UKIP party members have been racist. Nothing of the sort has happened with Labour members.

You are utterly deluded as always Tick. Try the shadow Home Secretary for instance. Try yourself for instance.

Any evidence on when either her or I have expressed racist sentiment?

[Steve Hunt]

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That doesn't make Labour a racist party. They are no more in control of their voters than UKIP are of theirs.

Exactly the point I was trying (clearly badly!) to make.

The difference is that UKIP party members have been racist. Nothing of the sort has happened with Labour members.

Well, one Mr Ken Livingstone has certainly been publicly anti-semitic on at least one occasion.

[Steve Hunt]

From my limited acquaintance with UKIP in numbers, I would say the people I have met to be markedly racist and xenophobic.

Are you saying that these people are exclusively supporters of UKIP?

Are you saying that the Labour Party (particularly in traditional working class areas) & the Tory Party does not have supporters with a similar mindset?

Of course I didn't interview them one to one but considering it was a General Election the whole two hours of so was based on stirring up frustrations- for example,the NHS- and then connecting them to "open borders". As narrow as that. Or else, or simultaneously, it was Brussel's fault -even energy charges.
That was with Nuttall and Hamilton.

And you don't entertain the fact that traditional working class Labour supporters might not share similar sentiments?

[The Tick]

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That doesn't make Labour a racist party. They are no more in control of their voters than UKIP are of theirs.

Exactly the point I was trying (clearly badly!) to make.

The difference is that UKIP party members have been racist. Nothing of the sort has happened with Labour members.

Well, one Mr Ken Livingstone has certainly been publicly anti-semitic on at least one occasion.

What did he say?

[Darkyboy]

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That doesn't make Labour a racist party. They are no more in control of their voters than UKIP are of theirs.

Exactly the point I was trying (clearly badly!) to make.

The difference is that UKIP party members have been racist. Nothing of the sort has happened with Labour members.

You are utterly deluded as always Tick. Try the shadow Home Secretary for instance. Try yourself for instance.

Any evidence on when either her or I have expressed racist sentiment?

You "Brits are lazy" comment for instance. Plus your constant anti-British postings. You have as much prejudice, if not more than anyone else.

[The Tick]

That's "it"?

Criticising my country's institutions (or the way it works) isn't a racist thing at all.

[Darkyboy]

Well if I said black people are lazy, would you consider that acceptable?

That as well as your denial of anti-semitism in the Labour party, when it's clear for anyone on the outside (and many of those on the inside).

Add in all the anti-British postings as well and it creates a picture of someone as guilty of prejudice, as those you accuse.

Personally, I understand that everyone has prejudices. What I don't accept is that some are deemed as acceptable while others are not.