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What's really bugged me is the dishonesty from Labour throughout this campaign - 'bedroom tax' was implemented in 2008 by Labour, and ATOS were contracted by Labour in 2005 to handle the disability assessments. They talk of 'tax avoiders' while their Leader uses a Deed of Variation to avoid Inheritance tax, flip their second homes to avoid Capital Gains tax and, in the case of Margaret Hodge, her family company Stemcor pays less than 0.05% Corporation tax. Oh, and Labour itself have a property management company that paid no Corporation Tax for eight years.
They complain about the NHS needing saving (which, by the way, they've said in every single General Election since 1948) - having saddled the NHS with £billions in PFI debt, covered up up to 1200+deaths in MidStaffs on their watch, outsourced more services to private companies than the Conservatives have (5% to 1%) and, under the Welsh Assembly, preside over NHS Wales - the worst-performing part of the NHS UK-wide.
They refuse to admit overspending during 1997-2010 despite having increased borrowing massively (to over £500 billion), raided pensions so hard in 1997 that some funds never recovered, sold off the UK's gold reserves against the advice of the market at rock-bottom prices, bailed out the banks, forced Lloyds to merge, implemented the light-touch City regulation (overruling the BoE) that allowed the subprime market to burgeon, and gave Fred Goodwin a knighthood - yet they claim they are the party of fiscal competence?
Leave aside that they went to court in 2008 to prove that manifesto promises aren't legally binding (written in stone or not), welshed on their own plan for all-women shortlists to select a Union boss (Jack Dromey, husband of Deputy Leader Harriet Harman) as an MP, have supported gender segregation during the campaign, fought for State regulation of the Press, took British servicemen to war on a 'dodgy dossier', implemented a 50% tax rate on high earners for ONE MONTH then claimed, when the Coalition cut it to 45% (and the tax take went up - see 'Laffer Curve' for more information) that it was a 'tax cut for millionaires'.
Oh, and for the record - the rich ARE paying more now than they were under Labour.
For a hundred years, Labour have tried to convince poor people that rich people are the reason they're poor. Yet in that hundred years, the poor people who've voted Labour in droves are still poor - yet Labour MPs are just as rich, just as privately educated as the Conservatives they purport to despise.
Every single time they've been in power they've screwed the economy, from the biggest deficit in peacetime history to an IMF bailout - and left unemployment higher than when they came in.
I haven't even touched on civil liberties, surveillance, NHS computerisation, Oldham, Rotherham or any of the myriad other points I could cover.
Enough lies, please. We don't need any more of this.
Labour like to talk about the Coalition record, and pretend that their dismal history - not just 1997-2010, but the dark days of the 1970s as well - doesn't exist. They rely on people not looking at the past and the tribal nature of Labour politics to ensure they keep their vote - a client state of people trained not to look at the realities but to believe the soundbites and vague platitudes, overlaid with hatred for anyone who defies the groupthink.
Well - these are all facts, all the ones that Labour don't want people to remember.
Please remember, and vote accordingly

Colin.....

1. The Bedroom Tax or Under Occupancy Penalty was brought in 2012 not 2008 by the current government . Labour want it abolished.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under-occupancy_penalty

A truly dreadful policy that needs ditching ASAP. The Conservatives & LibDems just want to argue about the name.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/be ... im-4177135

2. The Tories borrowed more in one term of office than Labour did in 13 years. Are they going to apologise?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11 ... 16084.html

3. Our deficit is now higher than Greece's. Apology?



4. The Tories cut the top rate of income tax at the same time as raising VAT for everyone. Says a lot about who they govern for.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... n-analysis

4. The stuff about Labour privatising more of the NHS than the Tories is complete rubbish. Why did the government need to pass the Health & Social Care Act if they were just carrying on where Labour left off? We know the Tories want to privatise the NHS. Jeremy Hunt said before he became Health Secretary he wanted the NHS "denationalised"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nh ... st-5323402

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/pa ... -new-study

If you want Americanised healthcare in the UK vote Tory.

5. Hard to think of a single area of policy where the Tories have done a good job, or even done what they said they would. Immigration for example.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... 0-000.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... ook-office

If the Tories get another 5 years it will be more of the same - cocking everything up while blaming everyone but themselves.

Ralph wrote:Colin.....

1. The Bedroom Tax or Under Occupancy Penalty was brought in 2012 not 2008 by the current government . Labour want it abolished.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under-occupancy_penalty

A truly dreadful policy that needs ditching ASAP. The Conservatives & LibDems just want to argue about the name.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/be ... im-4177135

2. The Tories borrowed more in one term of office than Labour did in 13 years. Are they going to apologise?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11 ... 16084.html

3. Our deficit is now higher than Greece's. Apology?

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4. The Tories cut the top rate of income tax at the same time as raising VAT for everyone. Says a lot about who they govern for.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... n-analysis

4. The stuff about Labour privatising more of the NHS than the Tories is complete rubbish. Why did the government need to pass the Health & Social Care Act if they were just carrying on where Labour left off? We know the Tories want to privatise the NHS. Jeremy Hunt said before he became Health Secretary he wanted the NHS "denationalised"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nh ... st-5323402

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/pa ... -new-study

If you want Americanised healthcare in the UK vote Tory.

5. Hard to think of a single area of policy where the Tories have done a good job, or even done what they said they would. Immigration for example.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... 0-000.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... ook-office

If the Tories get another 5 years it will be more of the same - cocking everything up while blaming everyone but themselves.

Hillman still blames Thatcher




BTW: I'm not voting tory this time, bunch of tossers need a kick in the bollocks.

Who's it to be then Colin? SNP

shabbado wrote:Who's it to be then Colin? SNP

Fucking hell, they're as bad as labour

colinthewarriormonkey wrote:

shabbado wrote:Who's it to be then Colin? SNP

Fucking hell, they're as bad as labour

Better get used to them. They'll both be forming part of the next UK Government

shabbado wrote:

colinthewarriormonkey wrote:

shabbado wrote:Who's it to be then Colin? SNP

Fucking hell, they're as bad as labour

Better get used to them. They'll both be forming part of the next UK Government

No chance Moribund has said he'll never do a deal with the SNP - it's either labour or nothing.

colinthewarriormonkey wrote:

shabbado wrote:

colinthewarriormonkey wrote:

shabbado wrote:Who's it to be then Colin? SNP

Fucking hell, they're as bad as labour

Better get used to them. They'll both be forming part of the next UK Government

No chance Moribund has said he'll never do a deal with the SNP - it's either labour or nothing.

He'll sink his own career, his party in Scotland and do a great deal of damage to the English grass roots if he passes up the opportunity to form a coalition with a progress, left(ish) leaning party and allowed the Tories another 5 years of power.

Yes, if you love your country, it has to be UKIP. Only 8 hours to save our country .

AlcoholBrazil wrote:Yes, if you love your country, it has to be UKIP. Only 8 hours to save our country .

What about if you love your country but also love the EU?

shabbado wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:Yes, if you love your country, it has to be UKIP. Only 8 hours to save our country .

What about if you love your country but also love the EU?

The two are not compatible.

AlcoholBrazil wrote:

shabbado wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:Yes, if you love your country, it has to be UKIP. Only 8 hours to save our country .

What about if you love your country but also love the EU?

The two are not compatible.

How so?

shabbado wrote:

colinthewarriormonkey wrote:

shabbado wrote:

colinthewarriormonkey wrote:

shabbado wrote:Who's it to be then Colin? SNP

Fucking hell, they're as bad as labour

Better get used to them. They'll both be forming part of the next UK Government

No chance Moribund has said he'll never do a deal with the SNP - it's either labour or nothing.

He'll sink his own career, his party in Scotland and do a great deal of damage to the English grass roots if he passes up the opportunity to form a coalition with a progress, left(ish) leaning party and allowed the Tories another 5 years of power.

I know that, and you know that - but he has stated categorically that he wont.

The problem is, if he does - those words will come back to haunt him and no one will trust him or his party.

He's fucked himself either way.

colinthewarriormonkey wrote:

shabbado wrote:

colinthewarriormonkey wrote:

shabbado wrote:

colinthewarriormonkey wrote:

shabbado wrote:Who's it to be then Colin? SNP

Fucking hell, they're as bad as labour

Better get used to them. They'll both be forming part of the next UK Government

No chance Moribund has said he'll never do a deal with the SNP - it's either labour or nothing.

He'll sink his own career, his party in Scotland and do a great deal of damage to the English grass roots if he passes up the opportunity to form a coalition with a progress, left(ish) leaning party and allowed the Tories another 5 years of power.

I know that, and you know that - but he has stated categorically that he wont.

The problem is, if he does - those words will come back to haunt him and no one will trust him or his party.

He's fucked himself either way.

Indeed he has. The silly cunt that he is.

Tories have played that one perfectly.

shabbado wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:Yes, if you love your country, it has to be UKIP. Only 8 hours to save our country .

What about if you love your country but also love the EU?

Or if you love your country but don't want it run by thick racist retards?

Sid Pervcat wrote:

shabbado wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:Yes, if you love your country, it has to be UKIP. Only 8 hours to save our country .

What about if you love your country but also love the EU?

Or if you love your country but don't want it run by thick racist retards?

Sid Pervcat wrote:

shabbado wrote:

AlcoholBrazil wrote:Yes, if you love your country, it has to be UKIP. Only 8 hours to save our country .

What about if you love your country but also love the EU?

Or if you love your country but don't want it run by thick racist retards?

I agree. The EU are racist against the British running their own country the way they wish to.

How do we know the EU even exist?

The Ghost of Alex Higgins wrote:How do we know the EU even exist?

Yes , on a par with the Illuminati in my book.

colinthewarriormonkey wrote: Oh, and for the record - the rich ARE paying more now than they were under Labour.

Stunning logic, Colin.

The rich are paying more now than they were under Labour....that's because the rich have more than they did in 2010 and the poor have less than they did in 2010.

'The rich' cannot be pigeonholed, and neither can 'the poor'.

You keep hammering those who have worked their balls off to get what they have, and lived a responsible life and they will fuck off somewhere else.

Not all of the poor are poor because they have to be.

Both of those groups need to be taken into consideration, when the gap between the rich and poor is discussed.

It's Labour's intent to steal from the rich and give to the poor, but we don't live in the 13th century, nor do we all believe in Robin Hood.

Dried your tears over the demise of your kippers yet zammers?

Zambo wrote:'The rich' cannot be pigeonholed, and neither can 'the poor'.

You keep hammering those who have worked their balls off to get what they have, and lived a responsible life and they will fuck off somewhere else.

Not all of the poor are poor because they have to be.

Both of those groups need to be taken into consideration, when the gap between the rich and poor is discussed.

It's Labour's intent to steal from the rich and give to the poor, but we don't live in the 13th century, nor do we all believe in Robin Hood.

Who are you responding to, as I can't make sense of anything you have posted.

The Colster is seemingly suggesting that the Tories are hammering the rich more than Labour were.

Zambo wrote:'It's Labour's intent to steal from the rich and give to the poor

Except in the last two decades it's been Labour's intent to steal from the British rich and poor and give to the foreign rich and poor .

Lord Notin Kwestion wrote:Dried your tears over the demise of your kippers yet zammers?

Anyone voting for UKIP thinking that they would do more than increase their share of the vote, is either an idiot or away with the fairies. I just looked at the manifestos, and voted for the party who's I thought would be better, based on the benefit to this country. At the same time of course, remembering the shite we have had to put up with for the last 18 years.

The UKIP/SNP vote also emphasised what a farce the current political system is.

At the end of the day, we kept the Socialists out, and that is something to be celebrated. I just hope Cameron tells that horrid bitch to fuck off and stick her left wing policies up her arse.