Immigrants

[warmleatherette]

Very nice, my response was to m4rkb's contention that 'you constantly insinuate everyone against mass immigration is racist'. He quoted shabs post which contained nary a mention nor insinuation or racism.

That's twice you've quoted my opinion of UKIP perhaps I should explain a little

Careerist - Neil 'cash for questions' Hamilton
Racist - Nigel 'we'll never get the nigger vote' Farage
Fucknugget - Janice 'fraudster' Atkinson
Ideologue - on second thoughts I was giving them too much credit - they don't really believe in anything

I was assuming he was including you in the "you lot" I may have been mistaken though

[m4rkb]

You guessed right there Warmo. I was including him in it. There are other lists I include him on too but we'll save them for another day

[the rotary club]

You guessed right there Warmo. I was including him in it. There are other lists I include him on too but we'll save them for another day

Odd that you 'forgot' to mention that yesterday

[m4rkb]

You guessed right there Warmo. I was including him in it. There are other lists I include him on too but we'll save them for another day

Odd that you 'forgot' to mention that yesterday

No need to mention you by name. You're an automatic inclusion in my 'your lot' group. As well as the trolling groups you belong to.

[the rotary club]

Very nice, my response was to m4rkb's contention that 'you constantly insinuate everyone against mass immigration is racist'. He quoted shabs post which contained nary a mention nor insinuation or racism.

That's twice you've quoted my opinion of UKIP perhaps I should explain a little

Careerist - Neil 'cash for questions' Hamilton
Racist - Nigel 'we'll never get the nigger vote' Farage
Fucknugget - Janice 'fraudster' Atkinson
Ideologue - on second thoughts I was giving them too much credit - they don't really believe in anything

I was assuming he was including you in the "you lot" I may have been mistaken though

It seems odd to choose a post to quote that doesn't contain any reference to racism to make that point.

In fact I think you'll struggle to find any post that agrees with his contention that a poster is thought racist because of their views on immigration. It's usually because of their views on race.

[the rotary club]

You guessed right there Warmo. I was including him in it. There are other lists I include him on too but we'll save them for another day

Odd that you 'forgot' to mention that yesterday

No need to mention you by name. You're an automatic inclusion in my 'your lot' group. As well as the trolling groups you belong to.

You know I remember one of the first posts I saw from you, it contained a link to a racist website, chimpout.com - which fortunately seems to have disappeared - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chimpout.com

Nothing you've posted since has lead me to change my view.

[m4rkb]

What a fucking div you are.

That's the accusation every time. Because your hero Ed Miliband has recently said it's not racist to talk about immigration, when his party members (and they are right fucking members for sure) constantly bleat on about it, you decide to now take this stance. On this very page the drivel you post is full of accusing people of being racist just for being concerned about the levels of immigration and deciding to ally themselves to UKIP.

[m4rkb]

You guessed right there Warmo. I was including him in it. There are other lists I include him on too but we'll save them for another day

Odd that you 'forgot' to mention that yesterday

No need to mention you by name. You're an automatic inclusion in my 'your lot' group. As well as the trolling groups you belong to.

You know I remember one of the first posts I saw from you, it contained a link to a racist website, chimpout.com - which fortunately seems to have disappeared - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chimpout.com

Nothing you've posted since has lead me to change my view.

That site was purely satirical and not racist.

[the rotary club]

Utter bollocks, it was run (and used ) by a right load of massive racists.

c/o the wayback machine you can still find their first page -

Spoiler:

Welcome to Chimpout. A black plague is descending upon civilization. That plague is called the nigger. Here at Chimpout we provide up to the minute nigger facts and news stories that are either covered up or buried by the mainstream media. Everything you read here is the truth, gleaned from worldwide sources.

Our message is simple. Niggers are a cancer upon human society.

Etc etc etc

[the rotary club]

What a fucking div you are.

That's the accusation every time. Because your hero Ed Miliband has recently said it's not racist to talk about immigration, when his party members (and they are right fucking members for sure) constantly bleat on about it, you decide to now take this stance. On this very page the drivel you post is full of accusing people of being racist just for being concerned about the levels of immigration and deciding to ally themselves to UKIP.

That's simply not true as we all can see.

You making a right tit of yourself.

Please carry on.

[m4rkb]

Utter bollocks, it was run (and used ) by a right load of massive racists.

c/o the wayback machine you can still find their first page -

Spoiler:

Welcome to Chimpout. A black plague is descending upon civilization. That plague is called the nigger. Here at Chimpout we provide up to the minute nigger facts and news stories that are either covered up or buried by the mainstream media. Everything you read here is the truth, gleaned from worldwide sources.

Our message is simple. Niggers are a cancer upon human society.

Etc etc etc

I threw that one in just to watch the performing seals. Another list you're an automatic on.

Three years later, here you are still performing

[AlcoholBrazil]

I threw that one in just to watch the performing seals. Another list you're an automatic on.
Three years later, here you are still performing

more like...............


and both give me the creeps . The stuff of nightmares.

[the rotary club]

Utter bollocks, it was run (and used ) by a right load of massive racists.

c/o the wayback machine you can still find their first page -

Spoiler:

Welcome to Chimpout. A black plague is descending upon civilization. That plague is called the nigger. Here at Chimpout we provide up to the minute nigger facts and news stories that are either covered up or buried by the mainstream media. Everything you read here is the truth, gleaned from worldwide sources.

Our message is simple. Niggers are a cancer upon human society.

Etc etc etc

I threw that one in just to watch the performing seals. Another list you're an automatic on.

Three years later, here you are still performing

Of course you did.

[Hillman avenger]

Very nice, my response was to m4rkb's contention that 'you constantly insinuate everyone against mass immigration is racist'. He quoted shabs post which contained nary a mention nor insinuation or racism.

That's twice you've quoted my opinion of UKIP perhaps I should explain a little

Careerist - Neil 'cash for questions' Hamilton
Racist - Nigel 'we'll never get the nigger vote' Farage
Fucknugget - Janice 'fraudster' Atkinson
Ideologue - on second thoughts I was giving them too much credit - they don't really believe in anything

I was assuming he was including you in the "you lot" I may have been mistaken though

It seems odd to choose a post to quote that doesn't contain any reference to racism to make that point.

In fact I think you'll struggle to find any post that agrees with his contention that a poster is thought racist because of their views on immigration. It's usually because of their views on race.

In any sort of argument, m4krb always suggests that there is some background influence that prevents people speaking out. It seems to be part of need to be admired, that he shows us how brave and forthright he is. Then he gets even more wound up when nobody takes the bait.

If it's not racism it's political correctness, that he is obsessed with. He must have had a very strange life if he has encountered it as anything more than a curiosity. Most of the time he invents arguments which he thinks other people might generate ( when they don't) so he can display his virility in refuting them.

I have never heard anyone say, and as far as I know, think, that speaking out against mass immigration is racist of itself. That's different from many of the people who do speak out against it being racists.

The fact that as he says that, he is disproving it, is beyond him. He is entirely free to be an idiot.

[m4rkb]

What a load of fucking bollocks, but it did give me a good laugh.

Hillman the psychiatrist now. Don't tell me. You once drove past someone's front door who was one so you know all about it.

All this spin, especially the social engineering part works hand in hand with most left wing ideologies.

The desire to eliminate nation states so we are all one people - left wing tosh.
Multiculturalism where we're all one big happy family in a state of constant orgasm at the wonderful diversity we now enjoy living next door to fifteen romanian tatters on the left and a bunch of unemployed somalians on the right - Left wing tosh.
Official reports that must not mention any problems lest we start seeing the truth - more left wing tosh.
Political correctness - Yet more left wing tosh.
The word Asian - leftist tosh for Muslim.

You modern lefties (excluding lefties who simply believe in the rights of the working man etc which I adhere to my own self) not only live in a dream world you manufacture 'evidence' or suppress evidence to further the illusion and expect everyone to believe it.

Some of us see that illusion in other things too with our other eye.

And this takes the biscuit as well as proves you must live under a rock.

I have never heard anyone say, and as far as I know, think, that speaking out against mass immigration is racist of itself.

It was the main weapon of the left ever since mass immigration started.

The term has been so abused even the left recognise it's now a meaningless insult.

[Roy Twing]

What a load of fucking bollocks, but it did give me a good laugh.

Hillman the psychiatrist now. Don't tell me. You once drove past someone's front door who was one so you know all about it.

All this spin, especially the social engineering part works hand in hand with most left wing ideologies.

The desire to eliminate nation states so we are all one people - left wing tosh.
Multiculturalism where we're all one big happy family in a state of constant orgasm at the wonderful diversity we now enjoy living next door to fifteen romanian tatters on the left and a bunch of unemployed somalians on the right - Left wing tosh.
Official reports that must not mention any problems lest we start seeing the truth - more left wing tosh.
Political correctness - Yet more left wing tosh.
The word Asian - leftist tosh for Muslim.

You modern lefties (excluding lefties who simply believe in the rights of the working man etc which I adhere to my own self) not only live in a dream world you manufacture 'evidence' or suppress evidence to further the illusion and expect everyone to believe it.

Some of us see that illusion in other things too with our other eye.

And this takes the biscuit as well as proves you must live under a rock.

I have never heard anyone say, and as far as I know, think, that speaking out against mass immigration is racist of itself.

It was the main weapon of the left ever since mass immigration started.

The term has been so abused even the left recognise it's now a meaningless insult.

Quite, - the tory leader of the time was famously called a racist back in 2004 for exactly this reason.
Watch the deafening silence (or whatever the forum equivalent is) from a certain quarter.

[Sid Pervcat]

Who fucking cares?

[Hillman avenger]

What a load of fucking bollocks, but it did give me a good laugh.

Hillman the psychiatrist now. Don't tell me. You once drove past someone's front door who was one so you know all about it.

All this spin, especially the social engineering part works hand in hand with most left wing ideologies.

The desire to eliminate nation states so we are all one people - left wing tosh.
Another of your inventions...I don't know anyone who aspires to that.
Multiculturalism where we're all one big happy family in a state of constant orgasm at the wonderful diversity we now enjoy living next door to fifteen romanian tatters on the left and a bunch of unemployed somalians on the right - Left wing tosh.
If I ever find anyone in those circumstances I'll let you know. As you won't tell us where you live, we can only assume you don't.
Official reports that must not mention any problems lest we start seeing the truth - more left wing tosh.
In other words, you prefer what you make up to any objectivity
Political correctness - Yet more left wing tosh.
You have such a problem with this- why is that? I don't understand why it troubles you so. Perhaps if we asked people to be courteous that would put the finger on why it bothers you.
The word Asian - leftist tosh for Muslim.
OK. Asians can be Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Bhuddist , Christian...and of course the biggest group doesn't actively follow any in reality...but if you want to stay confused, that's not a surprise.

You modern lefties (excluding lefties who simply believe in the rights of the working man etc which I adhere to my own self) not only live in a dream world you manufacture or suppress evidence to further the illusion and expect everyone to believe it.
As in? I love your idea that you ( and Twing of course) can submit that there are always serious facts which "they" won't let us see. Putting aside the question as to why they would bother, how about explaining if this is the case, how YOU KNOW this? Sorry, doesn't work

Some of us see that illusion in other things too with our other eye.


And this takes the biscuit as well as proves you must live under a rock.

I have never heard anyone say, and as far as I know, think, that speaking out against mass immigration is racist of itself.

It was the main weapon of the left ever since mass immigration started.

The term has been so abused even the left recognise it's now a meaningless insult.
You miss the point utterly. As ever.To attack mass immigration you do not have to be a racist. However it is something racists do. Not that hard, was it?

[m4rkb]

What a load of fucking bollocks, but it did give me a good laugh.

Hillman the psychiatrist now. Don't tell me. You once drove past someone's front door who was one so you know all about it.

All this spin, especially the social engineering part works hand in hand with most left wing ideologies.

The desire to eliminate nation states so we are all one people - left wing tosh.
Another of your inventions...I don't know anyone who aspires to that.
Well for starters look no further than the EU who have that very plan nailed to the table as well as a plan to carve up the various region of England into various European ones. Then we have the globalists and world socialists.

Multiculturalism where we're all one big happy family in a state of constant orgasm at the wonderful diversity we now enjoy living next door to fifteen romanian tatters on the left and a bunch of unemployed somalians on the right - Left wing tosh.
If I ever find anyone in those circumstances I'll let you know. As you won't tell us where you live, we can only assume you don't. I obviously exaggerate to make the point but go to Sheffield and that estate full of Roma. Plus there are plenty of places here in Brum where a hotch potch of unemployed hopefuls have settled. They find accomodation with landlords whose properties are well below the expected standard and pile in ten to the dozen. Those with babies DO receive benefits and help so you can guarantee pregnancy at the earliest possible stage is a well used meal ticket. I know about 8 of these families all around the Smethwick / West Brom and Black country region and know several landlords who house them for this very reason. I don't get about as much as I used to or it would be dozens I can assure you. Wolverhampton is a fucking cess pit of it.
Official reports that must not mention any problems lest we start seeing the truth - more left wing tosh.
In other words, you prefer what you make up to any objectivity
I prefer honesty not spin. Once you learn to see through it you can see it all over the place.
So far we've had cover ups galore , official reports into Hillsborough which were pure lies, official reports claiming immigration is a benefit but other reports claiming it costs us over £120billion. Crime figures fiddled etc etc etc. There are almost no figures or reports these days not based on spin for political reasons. You'd be well advised to realise this when the next one comes out whatever the subject. the majority is not actual official reporting more drip fed state propaganda.
Political correctness - Yet more left wing tosh.
You have such a problem with this- why is that? I don't understand why it troubles you so. Perhaps if we asked people to be courteous that would put the finger on why it bothers you.
I'm courteous to everyone if they are courteous to me, so I don't need political correctness to tell me how to deal with anyone. But total bullshit that encourages them to shout racism and discrimination at every turn are word put into people's mouths to ally themselves to the left who based their whole existence on claiming victimhood against the nasty right / tories.

The word Asian - leftist tosh for Muslim.
OK. Asians can be Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Bhuddist , Christian...and of course the biggest group doesn't actively follow any in reality...but if you want to stay confused, that's not a surprise.
It is continually used to deflect the overwhelming evidence that too many ills have nothing to do with Asians in general but Muslims in particular. It's the truth but the left can't admit it so they pretend otherwise and hide the FACTS behind this simple word. The sex scandals were 99% muslim but there was a steadfast refusal to use the term because it might be seen as racist. It doesn't fool me or many others. But it fools you.

You modern lefties (excluding lefties who simply believe in the rights of the working man etc which I adhere to my own self) not only live in a dream world you manufacture or suppress evidence to further the illusion and expect everyone to believe it.
As in? I love your idea that you ( and Twing of course) can submit that there are always serious facts which "they" won't let us see. Putting aside the question as to why they would bother, how about explaining if this is the case, how YOU KNOW this? Sorry, doesn't work
We constantly hear our 'leaders' repeat phrases like 'the wonderful diversity we all enjoy. And 'the diverse community we're all trying to build'. And 'there can be no place for that kind of thinking in a modern multicultural society' . Well that's bollocks because there is massive opposition to it and I'm one of them together with millions of others.

The BBC has an editorial policy to portray it ONLY in a positive light which means they are prepared to, and do, distort the truth to propogate the illusion as well as pursue their own broadcasting policy. What passes for impartiality in many cases is nothing more than inviting the other side onto shows to be deliberately ridiculed by preselected audiences. The same scenario also applies to the other mainstream broadcasters.

Some of us see that illusion in other things too with our other eye.

And this takes the biscuit as well as proves you must live under a rock.

I have never heard anyone say, and as far as I know, think, that speaking out against mass immigration is racist of itself.

It was the main weapon of the left ever since mass immigration started.

The term has been so abused even the left recognise it's now a meaningless insult.
You miss the point utterly. As ever.To attack mass immigration you do not have to be a racist. However it is something racists do. Not that hard, was it?
I haven't missed the point at all. You're the one at fault for that. I have no real issue with anyone's colour only their attitude and intention towards this country. On the race front, that put me at loggerheads with foreign health tourists, jihadists, religious supremacists, scroungers, and blacks who contantly bleat on about slavery or think those who act like whites are coconuts etc. There is a big bunch of what I'd term indigenous who annoy me too but that can't be termed racist.
There is no discrimination in there based on colour or race, or I'd view everyone with contempt which I don't. That does not stop accusations of racism from the left because they haven't got an argument otherwise. The most absurd accusation of all is to claim someone is racist because they find the numbers coming here totally unsustainable yet that is what has been happening for years. Apart from Gordon Brown who thinks they're bigots.

[NorthBank]

I do think it's true that immigrants do the horrible jobs British people won't. Exhibit A - Farage's wife is German.

[the rotary club]

[Sid Pervcat]

What a load of fucking bollocks, but it did give me a good laugh.

Hillman the psychiatrist now. Don't tell me. You once drove past someone's front door who was one so you know all about it.

All this spin, especially the social engineering part works hand in hand with most left wing ideologies.

The desire to eliminate nation states so we are all one people - left wing tosh.
Another of your inventions...I don't know anyone who aspires to that.
Well for starters look no further than the EU who have that very plan nailed to the table as well as a plan to carve up the various region of England into various European ones. Then we have the globalists and world socialists.

Multiculturalism where we're all one big happy family in a state of constant orgasm at the wonderful diversity we now enjoy living next door to fifteen romanian tatters on the left and a bunch of unemployed somalians on the right - Left wing tosh.
If I ever find anyone in those circumstances I'll let you know. As you won't tell us where you live, we can only assume you don't. I obviously exaggerate to make the point but go to Sheffield and that estate full of Roma. Plus there are plenty of places here in Brum where a hotch potch of unemployed hopefuls have settled. They find accomodation with landlords whose properties are well below the expected standard and pile in ten to the dozen. Those with babies DO receive benefits and help so you can guarantee pregnancy at the earliest possible stage is a well used meal ticket. I know about 8 of these families all around the Smethwick / West Brom and Black country region and know several landlords who house them for this very reason. I don't get about as much as I used to or it would be dozens I can assure you. Wolverhampton is a fucking cess pit of it.
Official reports that must not mention any problems lest we start seeing the truth - more left wing tosh.
In other words, you prefer what you make up to any objectivity
I prefer honesty not spin. Once you learn to see through it you can see it all over the place.
So far we've had cover ups galore , official reports into Hillsborough which were pure lies, official reports claiming immigration is a benefit but other reports claiming it costs us over £120billion. Crime figures fiddled etc etc etc. There are almost no figures or reports these days not based on spin for political reasons. You'd be well advised to realise this when the next one comes out whatever the subject. the majority is not actual official reporting more drip fed state propaganda.
Political correctness - Yet more left wing tosh.
You have such a problem with this- why is that? I don't understand why it troubles you so. Perhaps if we asked people to be courteous that would put the finger on why it bothers you.
I'm courteous to everyone if they are courteous to me, so I don't need political correctness to tell me how to deal with anyone. But total bullshit that encourages them to shout racism and discrimination at every turn are word put into people's mouths to ally themselves to the left who based their whole existence on claiming victimhood against the nasty right / tories.

The word Asian - leftist tosh for Muslim.
OK. Asians can be Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Bhuddist , Christian...and of course the biggest group doesn't actively follow any in reality...but if you want to stay confused, that's not a surprise.
It is continually used to deflect the overwhelming evidence that too many ills have nothing to do with Asians in general but Muslims in particular. It's the truth but the left can't admit it so they pretend otherwise and hide the FACTS behind this simple word. The sex scandals were 99% muslim but there was a steadfast refusal to use the term because it might be seen as racist. It doesn't fool me or many others. But it fools you.

You modern lefties (excluding lefties who simply believe in the rights of the working man etc which I adhere to my own self) not only live in a dream world you manufacture or suppress evidence to further the illusion and expect everyone to believe it.
As in? I love your idea that you ( and Twing of course) can submit that there are always serious facts which "they" won't let us see. Putting aside the question as to why they would bother, how about explaining if this is the case, how YOU KNOW this? Sorry, doesn't work
We constantly hear our 'leaders' repeat phrases like 'the wonderful diversity we all enjoy. And 'the diverse community we're all trying to build'. And 'there can be no place for that kind of thinking in a modern multicultural society' . Well that's bollocks because there is massive opposition to it and I'm one of them together with millions of others.

The BBC has an editorial policy to portray it ONLY in a positive light which means they are prepared to, and do, distort the truth to propogate the illusion as well as pursue their own broadcasting policy. What passes for impartiality in many cases is nothing more than inviting the other side onto shows to be deliberately ridiculed by preselected audiences. The same scenario also applies to the other mainstream broadcasters.

Some of us see that illusion in other things too with our other eye.

And this takes the biscuit as well as proves you must live under a rock.

I have never heard anyone say, and as far as I know, think, that speaking out against mass immigration is racist of itself.

It was the main weapon of the left ever since mass immigration started.

The term has been so abused even the left recognise it's now a meaningless insult.
You miss the point utterly. As ever.To attack mass immigration you do not have to be a racist. However it is something racists do. Not that hard, was it?
I haven't missed the point at all. You're the one at fault for that. I have no real issue with anyone's colour only their attitude and intention towards this country. On the race front, that put me at loggerheads with foreign health tourists, jihadists, religious supremacists, scroungers, and blacks who contantly bleat on about slavery or think those who act like whites are coconuts etc. There is a big bunch of what I'd term indigenous who annoy me too but that can't be termed racist.
There is no discrimination in there based on colour or race, or I'd view everyone with contempt which I don't. That does not stop accusations of racism from the left because they haven't got an argument otherwise. The most absurd accusation of all is to claim someone is racist because they find the numbers coming here totally unsustainable yet that is what has been happening for years. Apart from Gordon Brown who thinks they're bigots.

What a tragic post.

[m4rkb]

Not really. Our world standards are rapidly dropping down the pan and some of us don't like the idea just so we can share what we've built with people whose own standards will never achieve them.

[Sid Pervcat]

Not really. Our world standards are rapidly dropping down the pan and some of us don't like the idea just so we can share what we've built with people whose own standards will never achieve them.

No
One
Cares

[The Ghost of Alex Higgins]

D&d is absolute arse waft tbf