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therealHJ wrote:
therealHJ wrote:Andy Burnham in a car-crash interview on Newsnight - shouty and ranty, avoiding questions

In summary NHS outsourcing good if Labour do it and bad if anyone else does it

He said Labour would end the market experiment (which Labour introduced) but refused to say if Labour would increase or decrease spending on outsourced NHS services

Disingenuous as 95% of services are not outsourced
Burnham on Newsnight, worth a view

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Very entertaining, - he complains that this government is taking privatisation too far, but won't even say that his party would reduce the present figure.

And how he has the brass neck to go about "nobody gave this government permission...." after what his lot did last time on certain issues, is beyond me.

This might shock you all.

I agree with him.

He's actually bang on the money.

The government wanted BUPA to take over musculo-skeletal services, in west sussex. The way I understand it is that the actual hospital "lost the contract" to offer this type of care. So BUPA got a £235 million contract.

That is £235 million that is not going to go to the NHS hospital trust

With that sort of financial loss, it would mean that 2 hospitals along the south coast between Portsmouth and Brighton may have to downgrade their A&E departments to minor injuries units.

This would leave hundreds of thousands of people with a very long trip to the nearest A&E - the consequences could be lethal to many, and of course would do nothing to help the waiting lists of both Portsmouth and Brighton hospitals.

Currently there is room for provision to send of minor ailments to private hospitals to get the waiting lists down, and Burnham said that was right and proper and would continue to be the case.

It is fine for private companies to take on a support role for the NHS, but to move massive amounts of care and money to a private company which then jeopardises A&E services for hundreds of thousands of people, is fucking moronic.
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He is being disingenuous

His party privatised 4.5% of NHS services and that was OK, the coalition privatised an additional 1.5% of services and that is evil? Who is he trying to kid?

Also the A&E closures; many of those were already in process when the Coalition took power and it was under his leadership the plans were formulated. Have you forgotten Labour's centralisation strategy? I haven't, but it is clear some people have including Burnham himself.

He is also the health Secretary that presided over the Mid Staffs disgrace and tried to delay / bury the report and then the cunt had the gall to say last month that the benefits of the public inquiry didn't outweigh the reputational damage to the hospital! Tell that to the families of the 1200 people who died!

I am not fooled by this idiot for one second

Anyway, sadly for Burnham and Miliband and their "weaponising" of the NHS the British Social Attitudes Survey show that dissatisfaction with the NHS is at an all-time low and the satisfaction rating is the second highest ever (the highest year being 2010). It has had a few mentions on mainstream media but no big headlines, I wonder why?!

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therealHJ wrote: Anyway, sadly for Burnham and Miliband and their "weaponising" of the NHS the British Social Attitudes Survey show that dissatisfaction with the NHS is at an all-time low and the satisfaction rating is the second highest ever (the highest year being 2010). It has had a few mentions on mainstream media but no big headlines, I wonder why?!
I don't.

That survey must be deeply flawed, HJ. In my area alone they have shut down two A&E Departments. Are you seriously telling me that the satisfaction rating is the second highest ever?
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therealHJ wrote:He is being disingenuous

His party privatised 4.5% of NHS services and that was OK, the coalition privatised an additional 1.5% of services and that is evil? Who is he trying to kid?

Also the A&E closures; many of those were already in process when the Coalition took power and it was under his leadership the plans were formulated. Have you forgotten Labour's centralisation strategy? I haven't, but it is clear some people have including Burnham himself.

He is also the health Secretary that presided over the Mid Staffs disgrace and tried to delay / bury the report and then the cunt had the gall to say last month that the benefits of the public inquiry didn't outweigh the reputational damage to the hospital! Tell that to the families of the 1200 people who died!

I am not fooled by this idiot for one second

Anyway, sadly for Burnham and Miliband and their "weaponising" of the NHS the British Social Attitudes Survey show that dissatisfaction with the NHS is at an all-time low and the satisfaction rating is the second highest ever (the highest year being 2010). It has had a few mentions on mainstream media but no big headlines, I wonder why?!
I remember the centralisation debacle, I was instrumental in the campaign to save our local hospital.

However, that does not mean that in this instance he isn't correct, he is.

To award a contract to a private company that means that the A&E departments in 2 hospitals could have to effectively be shut down IS fucking moronic and I don't care who says it, Burnham, Farage or even Osama bin Laden from beyond the grave - I'd still agree with them.
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Cancer services awarded to private company even though rival NHS bid was £7 million cheaper.

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Ralph wrote:Cancer services awarded to private company even though rival NHS bid was £7 million cheaper.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/solomonhughes/n ... ract-stoke

Well that is a fucking disgrace, A tory MP on the board of the company that won it.

They should not even have been allowed to tender for conflict of interest reasons.

That needs a judicial review.
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Steve Hunt wrote:
therealHJ wrote: Anyway, sadly for Burnham and Miliband and their "weaponising" of the NHS the British Social Attitudes Survey show that dissatisfaction with the NHS is at an all-time low and the satisfaction rating is the second highest ever (the highest year being 2010). It has had a few mentions on mainstream media but no big headlines, I wonder why?!
I don't.

That survey must be deeply flawed, HJ. In my area alone they have shut down two A&E Departments. Are you seriously telling me that the satisfaction rating is the second highest ever?
My local A&E now shuts at night. So if you have a heart attack etc during the night you've got a longer journey to A&E than if you have it during the day. Farcical.

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colinthewarriormonkey wrote:
Ralph wrote:Cancer services awarded to private company even though rival NHS bid was £7 million cheaper.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/solomonhughes/n ... ract-stoke

Well that is a fucking disgrace, A tory MP on the board of the company that won it.

They should not even have been allowed to tender for conflict of interest reasons.

That needs a judicial review.
It's a scandal. This reorganisation is nothing to do with improving the NHS. It's about lining people's pockets.

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Ralph wrote:
colinthewarriormonkey wrote:
Ralph wrote:Cancer services awarded to private company even though rival NHS bid was £7 million cheaper.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/solomonhughes/n ... ract-stoke

Well that is a fucking disgrace, A tory MP on the board of the company that won it.

They should not even have been allowed to tender for conflict of interest reasons.

That needs a judicial review.
It's a scandal. This reorganisation is nothing to do with improving the NHS. It's about lining people's pockets.
This government is scum., however the others are no better.

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Labour MP Alan Milburn's consultancy company has been paid over £2 million advising venture capital firms investing in private healthcare

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex ... rn-5061380

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therealHJ wrote:Labour MP Alan Milburn's consultancy company has been paid over £2 million advising venture capital firms investing in private healthcare

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex ... rn-5061380
That's no surprise

Milburn has been on the edge of defecting to Cameron for a long time.

As for this story, it demonstrates how much the private sector is revved up for a massive looting of our healthcare spend.

Earlier in the thread Colin/Ralph discussed the award of a contract to a private provider which is more expensive than NHS. Colin thought that needed judicial review. If it did, there'd be dozens of others.

Back to Circle, by the way; it has been revealed that Hinchingbrooke recorded the lowest score ever in a CQC rating for "caring". Putting it all together, looks like Circle (a) began to realise you couldn't run an A&E/acute hospital decently for profit; and (b) that it was about to be told to spend more to reach minimum standards.

We can all agree we'd like the NHS to improve, even though it is reckoned to be the most efficient healthcare system in the world. It's what to do about that we disagree about.
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colinthewarriormonkey wrote: This government is scum., however the others are no better.

This election is akin to choosing which turd you'd prefer to eat.
Serious question, colin.

Have you ever considered UKIP? I would say that your thought's generally reflect mine (Jolie/Aniston apart :lol: ). What have you got to lose? You have already stated that Lib/Lab/Con are scum - which is undoubtedly true.
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Hillman avenger wrote:
therealHJ wrote:Labour MP Alan Milburn's consultancy company has been paid over £2 million advising venture capital firms investing in private healthcare

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex ... rn-5061380
That's no surprise

Milburn has been on the edge of defecting to Cameron for a long time.

As for this story, it demonstrates how much the private sector is revved up for a massive looting of our healthcare spend.

Earlier in the thread Colin/Ralph discussed the award of a contract to a private provider which is more expensive than NHS. Colin thought that needed judicial review. If it did, there'd be dozens of others.

Back to Circle, by the way; it has been revealed that Hinchingbrooke recorded the lowest score ever in a CQC rating for "caring". Putting it all together, looks like Circle (a) began to realise you couldn't run an A&E/acute hospital decently for profit; and (b) that it was about to be told to spend more to reach minimum standards.

We can all agree we'd like the NHS to improve, even though it is reckoned to be the most efficient healthcare system in the world. It's what to do about that we disagree about.
The rate of privatisation of service has been significantly lower under this government than Labour - FACT

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therealHJ wrote:Labour MP Alan Milburn's consultancy company has been paid over £2 million advising venture capital firms investing in private healthcare

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex ... rn-5061380
He's not a Labour MP anymore HJ. He's this government's 'poverty tsar'. :D

He was omnipresent on the BBC a couple of days ago defending this government's healthcare policy & criticising Labour. Not once did his massive financial interest in the private healthcare industry get mentioned. If I was making an absolute fortune from the private healthcare industry I expect it would colour my judgement.

Thanks for backing up my point that these reforms are about lining people's pockets not improving the NHS.

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The Government's 'poverty tsar' & chief cheerleader for their NHS reforms.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2015/01/a ... 2-million/

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Hospitals ordered not to declare 'major incident'.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ae ... ar_twitter

This has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to avoid bad headlines in the run up to the election.

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Those evil Tories taxing the rich more and the low-paid less :x

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therealHJ wrote:Those evil Tories taxing the rich more and the low-paid less :x

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Your posts are becoming a bit random HJ. Have we finished with the NHS?

BTW Does Paul Staines know how much stuff you're lifting from his blog? :D

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therealHJ wrote:Those evil Tories taxing the rich more and the low-paid less :x

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If I was on £500k-£2m, I would be looking to leave this country ASAP.

Sadly, I'm not :cry:
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Steve Hunt wrote:
colinthewarriormonkey wrote: This government is scum., however the others are no better.

This election is akin to choosing which turd you'd prefer to eat.
Serious question, colin.

Have you ever considered UKIP? I would say that your thought's generally reflect mine (Jolie/Aniston apart :lol: ). What have you got to lose? You have already stated that Lib/Lab/Con are scum - which is undoubtedly true.
Because Nigel Farage treats the whole thing as a hobby.

He's a cunt

Anyone who thinks that Jon Gaunt would be a person to welcome into their party is a fucking cunt

Anyone who throws their trusted colleague under the bus who was worked hard getting to know people and preparing to fight for the seat, then puts Carswell in their case just to ensure he gets a win, is a disloyal duplicitous fucking cunt who cannot be trusted as far as you throw him.
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Oh, and they've got no cunting policies either.
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colinthewarriormonkey wrote:Oh, and they've got no cunting policies either.
Well, the manifesto's will be out soon, so you can make a judgement then, I guess.

As for "loyalty" (re: Carswell), you must be joking? It is the nature of politics to back stab.

Why not judge them on the policies & manifesto when it comes out, colin? I'm pretty sure you will agree more with the UKIP one than you will with the Tories.
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Steve Hunt wrote:
colinthewarriormonkey wrote:Oh, and they've got no cunting policies either.
Well, the manifesto's will be out soon, so you can make a judgement then, I guess.

As for "loyalty" (re: Carswell), you must be joking? It is the nature of politics to back stab.

Why not judge them on the policies & manifesto when it comes out, colin? I'm pretty sure you will agree more with the UKIP one than you will with the Tories.
Which policies might I agree with Steve, not allowing unemployed people to own a car?
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colinthewarriormonkey wrote:
Steve Hunt wrote:
colinthewarriormonkey wrote:Oh, and they've got no cunting policies either.
Well, the manifesto's will be out soon, so you can make a judgement then, I guess.

As for "loyalty" (re: Carswell), you must be joking? It is the nature of politics to back stab.

Why not judge them on the policies & manifesto when it comes out, colin? I'm pretty sure you will agree more with the UKIP one than you will with the Tories.
Which policies might I agree with Steve, not allowing unemployed people to own a car?
Take your pick from some of these, for starters:

1. Get Britain out of the European Union
2. Get control of immigration with an Australian-style, points-based immigration system
3. £3bn more, annually, into our NHS which desperately needs it
4. Scrap tuition fees for students studying Science, Tech, Engineering, Maths, or Medical degrees
5. Pay greater attention to elderly care across the country
6. Cutting £9bn from our foreign aid budget
7. Give the people the ability to “recall” their MPs, without parliamentary or MP approval
8. Stopping our endless, foreign wars
9. Promoting a British identity, as opposed to failed multiculturalism
10. Allowing existing schools to become grammar schools
11. Ending PFI privatisation of the NHS, proliferated by Labour and the Tories
12. Ensuring our armed services are properly equipped for when we do need them
13. Establishing a Veteran’s Administration to look after those who looked after us
14. Encouraging inward investment with growth markets, not JUST the failing Eurozone
15. Overcoming the unfairness of MPs from devolved nations voting on English laws
16. Cutting bureaucracy, red tape, and wasteful spending from government departments
17. Cutting the same bureaucracy that hinders small businesses and entrepreneurs
18. Supporting our farmers with a Single Farm Payment Scheme
19. Ending the burdensome “green levies” that have added £000s to our energy bills
20. Scrapping the poorly planned HS2 project, saving up to £50bn
21. Opposing tolls on public roads – we’ve already paid for them
22. Supporting bus passes for pensioners with the support of local authorities
23. Foreign vehicles to require Britdisc passes to contribute to our roads they use
24. Ending the use of speed cameras as revenue raisers – they should be a deterrent
25. Protecting our green belt
26. A central list of brownfield sites for developers
27. Houses on brownfield sites to be Stamp Duty exempt on first sale
28. VAT relaxed for redevelopment of brownfield sites
29. Local referenda for large-scale development, if triggered by 5% of electorate
30. Introducing the ability for citizens to initiate national referenda
31. Withdrawing from the European Court of Human Rights
32. Reversing the government’s opt-in to the European Arrest Warrant
33. Negotiating bi-lateral agreements to replace EAW
34. No votes for prisoners
35. Full prison sentences should be served, parole on case-by-case basis
36. Replacing the Human Rights Act with a British Bill of Rights
37. Official documents to be published primarily in English
38. Cracking down on honour killings, female genital mutilation, and forced marriages
39. Reviewing the BBC licence fee with a view to reducing it
40. Taking non-payment of the licence fee out of the criminal sphere
41. Amend the smoking ban to promote choice for ventilated smoking rooms
42. Opposing plain packs for cigarettes, which has had no impact where trialled
43. Promoting the employment of young, British workers
44. Repealing the Agency Workers Directive
45. Encouraging councils to provide more free parking on High Streets
46. Simplifying planning regulations for long-term empty commercial properties
47. Extending the right of appeal for micro businesses against Revenue and Customs
48. Negotiating bespoke trade agreements with EU member states and worldwide
49. Reoccupying our seat at the World Trade Organisation
50. Abolishing inheritance tax
51. Introducing a 35p income tax rate between £42,285 and £55,000 – taking many public sector workers out of higher rate of tax
52. Setting up a Treasury Commission to make sure big corporations pay their way in taxes
53. Abolishing the Dept of Energy and Climate Change and rolling retained functions into DEFRA
54. Introducing an Apprenticeship Qualification for students who don’t want to do non-core GCSEs
55. Scrapping the arbitrary 50% target for university attendance
56. Students from the EU to pay the same as International Students
57. Introducing more power for parents: OFSTED to investigate schools on petition signed by 25% of parents or governors
58. Guaranteeing a job in the police, prison, or border forces for anyone who has served 12 years in the Armed Forces
59. Priority social housing for ex-service men and women, and those returning from service
60. Veterans to receives Veteran’s Card to ensure they’re supported in event of mental health care and more
61. All entitlements to be extended to servicemen and women recruited from overseas
62. Establishing a National Service Medal for all those who have served
63. Encouraging local authorities to buy out their PFI contracts where affordable
64. Ensuring GP’s surgeries are open at least one evening per week where demand permits
65. Ensuring migrants have NHS-approved health insurance until they have paid into the system for 5 years
66. Ending hospital car parking charges
67. Replacing bureaucratic watchdogs with locally elected health boards for more transparency
68. Stopping the sale of patient data to big business
69. Ensuring a high standard of English speakers in the NHS
70. Amend working time rules to give trainee doctors, surgeons, and medics better environments
71. Encouraging and protecting whistleblowing to get to the bottom of poor performance
72. Ensuring migrants have jobs and accommodation before they can come to the UK
73. Migrants will only be eligible for residency after 10 years’ working here
74. Reinstating the primary purpose rule, bringing an end to sham marriage migration
75. No amnesty for illegal immigrants, or those gaining UK passports via fraud
76. Protecting genuine refugees by returning to the UN Convention of Refugees principles
77. British companies to be prioritised to deliver foreign aid contracts
78. Repealing the Climate Change Act 2008 which costs the economy £18n per year
79. Scrapping the Large Combustion Plant directive and redevelop UK power stations
80. Supporting the development of UK Shale Gas with proper safeguards
81. No new taxpayer subsidy for wind farms
82. Leaving the Common Agricultural Policy
83. Allowing parliament to vote on GM foods
84. Reinstating British territorial waters
85. Food to be labelled with country of origin, method of production, method of slaughter and more
86. Ban live animal exports for slaughter
87. Scrapping the Bedroom Tax
88. Child benefit only for children permanently resident in the UK
89. Future child benefit to be limited to first two children only
90. Ensuring an initial presumption of 50-50 parenting on child custody matters
91. Safeguarding visitation rights for grandparents
92. Supporting a streamlined welfare system and a benefit cap
93. Enrolling unemployed benefits claimants into workfare or community schemes
94. Placing revenues from shale gas into a Sovereign Wealth Fund to ensure future growth and security
95. Emphasising the immediate need to utilise forgotten British infrastructure like Manston Airport
96. No cuts to frontline policing
97. Prioritising social housing for those whose parents and grandparents were born locally
98. Reaffirming British laws, rather than allowing dual-track legal systems for minorities in the UK
99. Promoting patriotism and the importance of British values in our schools
100. Rebalancing Britain’s economy
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All of the 99 above are dependent on number 100 - which they have so far declined to say what they will do.

It sounds great on paper, but if they got in they wouldn't have a fucking clue how to pull it off.
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