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If people choose to get hung up on something like that, then they have every right to. I'm much more interested in celebrating what a fantastic series of test cricket we have had both here and in Bangladesh and the joy of seeing new names come into the game and make a real mark - whether it be Hameed and Jennings for England or Jayant for India.

Fascinatingly poised after day one - advantage England winning the toss on a pitch that looks much more likely to break up than the earlier ones, balanced by the fact we threw wickets away when players were established and therefore we may fall short of a total that would have ensured us dominance in the game.

tennisman wrote:If playing for your country was based on where you were born, Colin Cowdrey would have played for India and Ted Dexter for Italy.

Keaton Jennings has qualified by residency and has a British mother.

Personally I think that isn't good enough. You should have to represent the country of your birth, unless there are exceptional circumstances,
such as your English parents are on holiday in another country when you are born, or if for e.g. your mother is working abroad when born. In other words, if the parents are in another country for a short time. If they have moved there to live and you are born there you are not English imo.

The current qualification criteria is a farce, you only have to look at player eligibility in the context of Ireland to see what a shambles it is.

Separately look at this stupid ''granny rule' for qualification for ROI

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/irish-foo ... y-rule.htm

What next, take a day trip with your Aunty to Galway, and Martin O'Neill will be banging on your door if you can do a bit.

I think in particular the England cricket team have benefited a great deal from having 'non English' players representing them, a lot more than any other countries if my memory serves me.

Zambo wrote:the England cricket team have benefited a great deal from having 'non English' players representing them

'non-English'??

Jennings has a British passport; one of his parents is English.
Ditto Trott and Pietersen.

'English' isn't a nationality, by the way…

I think you'll find it's very much a nationality. The clue is in the word nation. And as far as I'm concerned what it says on your passport should have no relevance to international sport eligibilty unless England is the place of your birth.

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Zambo wrote:

robhug wrote:They'll be dancing on the streets of Johannesburg after that fine century.

Another example of the farce of international sport qualification, he even represented his country of birth, but because his mom comes from Sunderland and his family chose to live in England, he can choose which country he plays for.

Could be worse, i guess.

He could have been born in Scotland

Ah Mike Denness got to captain you as well

Zambo wrote:I think you'll find it's very much a nationality

Check your passport, Zambo. That should help you out a bit.

Zambo wrote:what it says on your passport should have no relevance to international sport eligibilty unless England is the place of your birth

OK... so you're saying that even if you hold a British passport, you shouldn't be allowed to represent England/Scotland/Wales?
Interesting…

By your logic, Terry Butcher should never have been allowed to play for England, or Bradley Wiggins to represent GB

Jake Ball - who knew he was so good with the bat?

Jos Buttler - can't spell Joss, can't spell Butler, but sure can bat.

Good session for England.

Yes, 400 a decent total on a wicket that's already starting to play a few tricks

subsub wrote:Yes, 400 a decent total on a wicket that's already starting to play a few tricks

Another 50-60 runs would have been about par.

Sinbad wrote:

subsub wrote:Yes, 400 a decent total on a wicket that's already starting to play a few tricks

Another 50-60 runs would have been about par.

Not according to TMS, who said that 350 was a par score.

subsub wrote:

Zambo wrote:what it says on your passport should have no relevance to international sport eligibilty unless England is the place of your birth

OK... so you're saying that even if you hold a British passport, you shouldn't be allowed to represent England/Scotland/Wales?
Interesting…

By your logic, Terry Butcher should never have been allowed to play for England, or Bradley Wiggins to represent GB

I have no idea of the circumstances of Terry Butcher's birth, other than he was born in Singapore. Unless there were exceptional ones as outlined in my previous posts, then you are exactly correct. Wiggins definitely not, and that has no bearing on the fact that he is a huge cunt.

I have stated what I think the eligibility criteria should be, and you disagree, and I think you should leave it at that. There is no need for silly rolling eye smileys.

ps Before you embarrass yourself further, I would do a bit of research on whether English is a nationality or not, just like Scotland and Wales. Here's a starter for ten

All though everyone in the UK has a British citizenship they have different nationalities. England is only one of the three countries in Britain (Scotland, England and Wales).

subsub wrote:

Sinbad wrote:

subsub wrote:Yes, 400 a decent total on a wicket that's already starting to play a few tricks

Another 50-60 runs would have been about par.

Not according to TMS, who said that 350 was a par score.

We'll see.... India already off to a good start.

WICKET...

39-1

Moeen

Zambo wrote:I have stated what I think the eligibility criteria should be, and you disagree, and I think you should leave it at that. There is no need for silly rolling eye smileys

Thanks for the advice

Zambo wrote:Before you embarrass yourself further, I would do a bit of research on whether English is a nationality or not, just like Scotland and Wales. Here's a starter for ten

All though everyone in the UK has a British citizenship they have different nationalities. England is only one of the three countries in Britain (Scotland, England and Wales).

I was born in England but my nationality is British.
I love the way you cut and paste the first thing you find on Google and put it in bold, under the mistaken belief that that adds credibility to your post

Your post just confirms that you are a twat, but I already knew that. Representing Britain is totally different to representing England. For example the Olympic games, you should be eligible if you are born anywhere in Britain, but to represent your country (nation/nationality), you should be born in that nation imo. So everyone who plays for the England (and the clue is there somewhere) should be English and not from most corners of the globe.

So for e.g to qualify to play for the Scottish football team, you need to have been born in Scotland. All this granny shit is just bollocks. You'll be telling me next that Mo Farah is English/British.

The eligibility rules need sorting out, they have become an embrarrassment. But in the meantime, you keep kidding yourself and keep cheering for all the foreigners. You can also claim that you are British, but I am English because I was born in England.

While everyone else was entranced and captivated by the 2005 Ashes, Zambo was in a darkened room muttering about the fact that KP, Strauss and Jones x2 weren't English. I respect your right to hold your opinion, but it's sad that you miss out on so much great sport on such technicalities.

When aliens from Alpha Centauri arrive, with some shit hot leg spinner who's honed their technique on some far off world with a lower gravity than ours, no one will care anymore what accident of birth places you where on this planet.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, I repeat my eternal mantra - give us a proper wicket keeper (born wherever you like as long they are qualified to play for us), to spare us from the ongoing embarrassment of Bairstow. Let the guy bat, he's a genius, but for god's sake give us someone who might actually take the catches and stumpings that are needed to win test matches.

Lou Grant wrote:While everyone else was entranced and captivated by the 2005 Ashes, Zambo was in a darkened room muttering about the fact that KP, Strauss and Jones x2 weren't English. I respect your right to hold your opinion, but it's sad that you miss out on so much great sport on such technicalities.

When aliens from Alpha Centauri arrive, with some shit hot leg spinner who's honed their technique on some far off world with a lower gravity than ours, no one will care anymore what accident of birth places you where on this planet.

I just have strong views on sport qualification criteria Louis. Personally, I think it's like a lot of laws in this country, pathetic and ridiculous. It doesn't stop me supporting my country though or enjoying the sports that interest me.

India will win this test, despite batting last, imo

Zambo wrote:

Lou Grant wrote:While everyone else was entranced and captivated by the 2005 Ashes, Zambo was in a darkened room muttering about the fact that KP, Strauss and Jones x2 weren't English. I respect your right to hold your opinion, but it's sad that you miss out on so much great sport on such technicalities.

When aliens from Alpha Centauri arrive, with some shit hot leg spinner who's honed their technique on some far off world with a lower gravity than ours, no one will care anymore what accident of birth places you where on this planet.

I just have strong views on sport qualification criteria Louis. Personally, I think it's like a lot of laws in this country, pathetic and ridiculous. It doesn't stop me supporting my country though or enjoying the sports that interest me.

Good. It would be sad otherwise.

Zambo wrote:Your post just confirms that you are a twat, but I already knew that

Aye aye, Oscar Wilde's in…

Zambo wrote:in the meantime, you keep kidding yourself and keep cheering for all the foreigners. You can also claim that you are British, but I am English because I was born in England

What a lovely person you sound. So tolerant and open-minded.

Lou Grant wrote:While everyone else was entranced and captivated by the 2005 Ashes, Zambo was in a darkened room muttering about the fact that KP, Strauss and Jones x2 weren't English

subsub wrote:
What a lovely person you sound. So tolerant and open-minded.

Yes very open minded, but you are correct about being intolerant, of stupidity anyway, and stupid rules.